If not DM, What is the Alternative?

[Ten Caat]

I think it's a pointless question for the time being. Of course Milne is to blame......but with the record that some of Milne's past appointments possess, it's no wonder he views McInnes as the prodigal son. The new contract awarded only a few weeks back cements DM safely in the managers office for the next 18 months anyway.......UNLESS we find ourselves in relegation trouble by late February. Which is not really likely despite yesterday's lacklustre performance.

 

I honestly think that Milne will hang around to see the new stadium unveiled and take the plaudits for that then fairly rapidly sell his shareholding and get outta Dodge before anything can happen to sour his legacy. Mcinnes' contract runs out a year short of the new stadium's projected opening date. Unless we go into freefall (or an English club come calling) I think he will get a further extension taking him up to the end of our first season in there. At that point, with him being with us over 10 years (and with Wiggy gone/going) I think he would call it a day.

 

So the question for the fans should be.....do we want to fall to such shit levels (relegation candidates) that he gets booted prior to this or are we prepared to accept he could well be with us for the best part of 5 years....maybe with a chance of winning a Cup or 2 given a favourable draw?

[StandFree1982]

This man's motivational speeches are epic.

 

Well that's definitely the worst thing i've heard all week. 

 

What a load of shite. 

[Hewitt a the pies]

Well that's definitely the worst thing i've heard all week. 

 

What a load of shite. 

And it's only Monday!

[dj_bollocks]

County or Caley?

 

That really was a fantastic auto correct wasn't it...  

[GDON21]

I have been an advocate of Derek McInnes and what he has done with the club. You hear stories of how good a manager his players feel he is and how professional he has made the club since coming in. The guy has high standards but in reality is working with one hand tied behind his back. He will never win the league and cup competitions have been dominated by one team in recent years. The Europa League group stages are a huge task to qualify for and being compared to the old firm at every opportunity is not easy with the budgets available to both clubs. 

 

He has answered some doubters over various seasons with some big wins in Glasgow etc but ultimately he has finished short and went down without a fight in the end. He will no doubt keep us competitive and for me we will be clear third this season and have a couple of cup runs. 

 

Unfortunately we are stagnating as a club and it is up to the board to decide what direction they want us to go in. Do they go the extra mile and back the current manager further financially and stretch away from the other clubs in the league to challenge the old firm and progress in Europe?(highly unlikely with the new stadium) or do they stick with the same players and budget and take a gamble finding a manager who might just get a bit more out the current crop of players?

 

I'd say the likely decision will be neither and it will be stick with what we have and stay competitive. Get the new training ground and stadium up and running and then see how we sit financially. 

 

I look at the other players the clubs in this league have signed and I genuinely wouldn't touch many of them. I'd say nearly every club in the league outside the old firm would bite the hand off you for the majority of our summer signings. 

 

Any managerial change just now would come with a large amount of risk. A lot of people touted Jack Ross before he went down south and look at how that's working out for him now. We could go down the foreign route and end up like Kilmarnock or we could go down the Hibs route and end up with a guy who knows nothing about the game up here despite being a decent coach. 

 

I would be very interested though to see what calibre of manager we could attract just now. Debt free and a good budget for this league, new training ground and stadium in the pipeline and always a good fan base. You would like to think we would be a very attractive proposition for a lot of managers. I think its time for the board to stand up and be counted and as I said before either back the manager more financially or try something different as I can feel the fans turning on McInnes every dodgy result. 

[dave_min]

[BWG]

 

He looks rather dashing there.  What a man.

[Fridge]

He must have made a load of close personal friends in his excile who he could bring to the club. Wee Neymar, big Harry Kane. Bring him home.

[sooth_stander]

Monkey Alan or Neil Godwin

Pete Gibbons?

[HairyPie]

Willie Miller.  Close thread.

[Ke1t]

Anyone with the bollocks to go down fighting, rather than the way we usually go down... 11 men behind the ball and no shots on target. 

 

[strachanmcgheegoal]

Don’t disagree with anything you say there GDON21. But the board are apparently happy to stagnate at this level, I’d argue not a big enough proportion of our fan base will differ from that. Do I necessarily think he could/should be backed further? Meh! His transfer record is hardly inspirational. And you’d have be delusional to think he’s going to suddenly change and have a go in big games now, no?

[ericblack4boss]

He looks rather dashing there. What a man.

Fucking oaf

[Studebaker-90]

Pete Gibbons?

Jeff Lamp. Owns his own Porsche and he’s only 42

[Poodler]

Wonder if he would actually consider McGhee given he's out of work

[Fridge]

Holy fuck can you imagine if that happened. We’d need riot police at every game.

[shooftahmooftah]

If the Dons end up in the championship next year Milne would still be spouting off saying Derek will get us back up don't worry. Milne isn't part of the problem he is the PROBLEM.

[tiktak]

 

.........and get outta Dodge before anything can happen to sour his legacy. 

 

Sour his legacy? That'll be the 1 trophy in 20+ years legacy then. Pretty hard to sour that

[Clydeside_Sheep]

I can understand frustration if ppl think the club is not progressing, but we have to be realistic.  What would be "the next level" for us, at this point?  Probably winning cup silverware regularly and europa league group stage football.

 

Can DM get us there?  I think he can.  True, he doesn't get to try forever.

 

That people (inc me) are happy with / like McInnes doesn't show lack of ambition, but rather realisation that he has taken us a step up and given us a bit of pride back, after 20 odd yrs of shite.

 

In any case, as the OP implies, there is hardly a long list of promising young (likely Scots) managers, who would be a good fit for us.

 

It will be interesting to see how Peter Grant gets on at Alloa.  Bar a year at norwich, (a while ago), he has no great managerial experience to speak of, though he has excellent experience as an assistant and coach at a good level in england.  His time at norwich didnt set the heather on fire, although he had a comfortably better win % than did McInness at Bristol and (I think) at a higher level - Premier League V Championship.

[Ke1t]

Psoriasis Elgin

[Poodler]

Scabie Memsie

[V for Vendetta]

Impetigo Pitsligo

 

 

Edit: too drunk to keep up there

[Dandyesque]

I can understand frustration if ppl think the club is not progressing, but we have to be realistic. What would be "the next level" for us, at this point? Probably winning cup silverware regularly and europa league group stage football.

 

Can DM get us there? I think he can. True, he doesn't get to try forever.

 

That people (inc me) are happy with / like McInnes doesn't show lack of ambition, but rather realisation that he has taken us a step up and given us a bit of pride back, after 20 odd yrs of shite.

 

In any case, as the OP implies, there is hardly a long list of promising young (likely Scots) managers, who would be a good fit for us.

 

It will be interesting to see how Peter Grant gets on at Alloa. Bar a year at norwich, (a while ago), he has no great managerial experience to speak of, though he has excellent experience as an assistant and coach at a good level in england. His time at norwich didnt set the heather on fire, although he had a comfortably better win % than did McInness at Bristol and (I think) at a higher level - Premier League V Championship.

 

You've really let the mask slip there...

[maryhilldon]

 

It will be interesting to see how Peter Grant gets on at Alloa.

I can't believe you just typed that.

[alscotoz]

Two defeats on the trot coupled with the arse cheeks being rampant = mass discontent (understandably). McInnes and Docherty have just signed contract extensions so a hefty compensation fee would be incurred if a change was to happen, at a time when the club will be looking to plough every available penny into the ongoing training facilities / stadium. If we'd received a few million from the Ryan Fraser situation and a further few million from sale of McKenna, maybe something would happen. It'll take the threat of relegation to make the board act. And no, I can't think of anyone we could afford that I think could do a better job with the budget currently available. We just have to suck it up for the time being I'm afraid.

 

So essentially, Milne has held the club to ransom and backed it into a corner by offering these extensions?

[Clydeside_Sheep]

You've really let the mask slip there...

 

I've no idea what you are talking about.

 

I can't believe you just typed that.

Come on, so if he did really well as a manager you would never, ever consider him, in a million years?

 

(As it happens, I am not expecting him to do really well - just pointing out he has experience which suggests he has a chance of succeeding)

[Sonoftherock]

 

I've no idea what you are talking about.

 

 

Come on, so if he did really well as a manager you would never, ever consider him, in a million years?

 

(As it happens, I am not expecting him to do really well - just pointing out he has experience which suggests he has a chance of succeeding)

 

Like yourself, he is an absolute rabid bead rattler.  You'd absolutely love an unhinged papist, like yourself, in charge of Aberdeen.

 

In fairness however, looking at his CV, were the individual not Peter Grant, I'd probably have them marked as 'one to watch'.

 

His coaching career, and the list of clubs he's worked at down south, is quite impressive.  You are also correct in saying that, when he was his own man, he did better at Norwich than McInnes did at Bristol (That wouldn't have been hard though!).

[Clydeside_Sheep]

Like yourself, he is an absolute rabid bead rattler.

I know, on various occasions (many years ago) I found myself standing next to him in the queue for communion (St Augustines, Coatbridge).

 

He is surprisingly short in real life.

 

You'd absolutely love an unhinged papist, like yourself, in charge of Aberdeen.

Indeed, preferably myself.

 

In fairness however, looking at his CV, were the individual not Peter Grant, I'd probably have them marked as 'one to watch'.

His coaching career, and the list of clubs he's worked at down south, is quite impressive

I don't get the revulsion - I don't recall him being a great hate figure among our support (more than the typical sellick player).

 

Shitey Mike Galloway was the main sellick hate figure, of that era, in my own recollection.

 

But, yeh, Grant's CV is impressive.

 

You are also correct in saying that, when he was his own man, he did better at Norwich than McInnes did at Bristol (That wouldn't have been hard though!).

True - the clubs themselves are probably comparable, but remember that Norwich were a premier league team in Grants brief tenure.

[The_Next_Legend]

I want to start off by saying I'm by no means content with McInnes but i try to look at it from perspective.

 

McInnes is so frustrating, on one hand he does always as expected (in reality) but on the other hand always seems to do less (than what the fans want).

 

We are the 3rd biggest team in scotland in terms of finances, we can't argue that fact - we do pay more than Hibs and Hearts as it currently stands and up until recently we were the 2nd biggest team in SPL. Our position reflected so our resources backed this up and currently still does.

 

I hate comparing teams to finances and the like but it's the harsh truth. Celtic are expected to compete in Europe, they are expected to win the league and cups - that's how they operate. They can spend 7million on defenders for example and not bat an eye lid. 10million on a striker and so on. And lets face it if we did the same we'd be expecting to win every single game in the SPL if we spent that type of money.

 

We get our expected league position each season (last season being underperfomed) and we 'compete' in cup competitions.

 

We always get to the 3rd round of Europe and I have no idea if that is underperforming or not in terms of budget etc. but considering Rangers got to groups last year then it makes me think we should have at least more opportunities. (Maribor, Kairat games for example).

 

The thing for me as a fan is 1) Beating the old firm 2) playing attractive football that I want to watch 3) getitng cup semi's and finals were we can go and watch our team on the 'big stage' while competing, 4) european trips and 5) beating teams we are expected to beat.

 

The harsh truth is, for every St Mirren game we had on sunday where we play shit and get beat we might have games against Rangers where we beat them and although we will say we have been the better team it will be down to Rangers underperforming as well as their budget should give them a team capable of beating us and same is to be said with us beating St Mirren, St Mirren were better on the day and we underperformed and our team should be beaitng theirs.

 

We can't win every game, everyone knows that and nor can we win every cup.

 

There's games where we play really attractive football, it's fast flowing and we score a few goals then there's games where more often than not, we don't. It's part of being at Aberdeen. The fact we do as we should every year means McInnes's job is safe but also why he's not sought after.

 

If McInnes was doing a better job than he was, he would be in England with a bigger team than Bristol City taking a chance on him but he's not and hence we're kind of stuck with him until we (and i say we, i agree with everyone else that it is Milne's incompetencies) get rid.

 

I've only ever grown up with skovdahl, paterson, calderwood, mcghee, brown and now McInnes - and every season we do get games where we beat the old firm, we get to semi finals, finals which are the days out I cherish. Heck even the hearts game the other week was a buzz and a feel good factor.

 

When we don't win the cup finals, or get put out in the semi's it's so frustrating as fuck, I know we should be doing better and I want us to put up a better fight and compete more and have a go - and i put this down to McInnes's tactics and not taking chances and not beliving in his team more but it's still McInnes who go us there to have the opportunity to compete.

 

I'm not sure who the fuck we'd get in, but there's got to be a concesus that McInnes is failing us as a manager before he goes and he's not in my opinion. He is annoying, he does have his blatant flaws but at the same time do I want to take a chance on conte's next assistant manager for example.

 

We could go on and beat Rijeka thursday and get through to the next round and every fan will forget about St Mirren and last thursdays result.

 

I don't even know what my point is anymore, i've just been rambling on but yeah it's annoying and McInnes pisses me off more so than not but at the same time I'm not sure we can do better without sacraficing that we would lose any good manager that is in after him.

[The Boofon]

Not reading that. ^^^