How Long Would You Give Glass?

[Guest]

Following Davidson winning one cup, and potentially winning another, in his first season in Perth how long should we give Glass to win a trophy?.

We haven't won a Scottish Cup for 31 years and, in fact, have won only one trophy, after penalties, in 26 years.

A truly awful record for the supposed third team in the country.

DC has high ambitions for the Dons, and so he should. However Glass has to meet these ambitions in reasonable time otherwise we will have to rehire someone else.

Question is how long should Glass be given to bring tangible success.

I reckon 2 years to bring a marked improvement, which should be measured by at least securing third in the league and reaching at least one final. Reaching the group stages of a European tournament should also be an aim.

Failure to deliver any of the above targets would have to be Glass's ceiling point.

[aberdeen1970]

1 minute ago, Woody21 said:

Following Davidson winning one cup, and potentially winning another, in his first season in Perth how long should we give Glass to win a trophy?.

We haven't won a Scottish Cup for 31 years and, in fact, have won only one trophy, after penalties, in 26 years.

A truly awful record for the supposed third team in the country.

DC has high ambitions for the Dons, and so he should. However Glass has to meet these ambitions in reasonable time otherwise we will have to rehire someone else.

Question is how long should Glass be given to bring tangible success.

I reckon 2 years to bring a marked improvement, which should be measured by at least securing third in the league and reaching at least one final. Reaching the group stages of a European tournament should also be an aim.

Failure to deliver any of the above targets would have to be Glass's ceiling point.

Are you suggesting that if he doesn't make the Europa groups over the next 14 months he should be sacked? 

[Betty Swallicks]

Davidson inherited a half decent squad (as did McInnes). Our squad is a shambles so I'd give Glass 3/4 windows to sort it out before being too critical.

 

[Hoofball]

Davidson didn’t need to completely rebuild that St Johnstone team when he took over whilst Glass does at Aberdeen.

He needs two full seasons and the third is his defining season as his whole squad should’ve been assembled by then 

[Sonoftherock]

At least two windows, before he starts being judged IMO.  Squad is in absolutely terrible shape.

[WesthillWanderersFC]

Can we not just wait & see how it pans out before getting the noose and the axe ready?

 

[DD1903]

46 minutes ago, Woody21 said:

Following Davidson winning one cup, and potentially winning another, in his first season in Perth how long should we give Glass to win a trophy?.

We haven't won a Scottish Cup for 31 years and, in fact, have won only one trophy, after penalties, in 26 years.

A truly awful record for the supposed third team in the country.

DC has high ambitions for the Dons, and so he should. However Glass has to meet these ambitions in reasonable time otherwise we will have to rehire someone else.

Question is how long should Glass be given to bring tangible success.

I reckon 2 years to bring a marked improvement, which should be measured by at least securing third in the league and reaching at least one final. Reaching the group stages of a European tournament should also be an aim.

Failure to deliver any of the above targets would have to be Glass's ceiling point.

You don't like glass, we get it

[shooftahmooftah]

Until the glass cracks, until then Happy Glass Days.   

[Durrant Dived]

How long is a piece of string? Unless you are mystic meg and have a crystal ball how does anyone know? Pointless thread right now. 

[WesthillWanderersFC]

20 minutes ago, Durrant Dived said:

How long is a piece of string? Unless you are mystic meg and have a crystal ball how does anyone know? Pointless thread right now. 

This ^^^

[Tommy]

A minimum of two seasons. A shambles to sort out but he’ll get there.

[StandFree1982]

Made an arse of it. 

 

 

[aberdeen1970]

Just now, StandFree1982 said:

There's a huge element of luck in the cups.

St Johnstone have done really well, but they've also avoided Rangers and Celtic on the way to both finals. That's not a criticism, just that if they had it could have been a lot different and it's that kind of luck that I think we need to break the cup curse.

And yes, we got beaten by Dundee United in SC and wouldn't have had to face either minker sides if we made it, but let's hope for similar in next few seasons and give us a real shot at it again. 

We probably should have won the cup double the year we won the League Cup as well.  

I hope that there's a shift in attitude from Glass's Aberdeen side where we treat the cup games like cup finals and go for the neck. 

 

 

St Johnstone knocked out the Huns in the quarters 

[aberdeen1970]

And St Mirren knocked out the Huns in the League Cup 

Who's to say that St Johnstone or anyone else couldn't have done that if they managed it? 

It's not up to the winners to knock everyone out. If someone else does the job first then why should that be held against them? 

[Byrne Baby Byrne]

8 minutes ago, StandFree1982 said:

There's a huge element of luck in the cups.

St Johnstone have done really well, but they've also avoided Rangers and Celtic on the way to both finals. That's not a criticism, just that if they had it could have been a lot different and it's that kind of luck that I think we need to break the cup curse.

And yes, we got beaten by Dundee United in SC and wouldn't have had to face either minker sides if we made it, but let's hope for similar in next few seasons and give us a real shot at it again. 

We probably should have won the cup double the year we won the League Cup as well.  

I hope that there's a shift in attitude from Glass's Aberdeen side where we treat the cup games like cup finals and go for the neck. 

 

 

Got beat by St Mirren in the league cup and Dundee United in the Scottish. While St Johnstone knocked a very good Rangers team out at Ibrox.

In the period where we were regularly competing at the top end of the league and the huns were in the doldrums we lost Scottish Cup ties against St Johnstone, Dundee and Hearts who we were far better than. Having to watch St Johnstone, Inverness and Hibs win it in those seasons. 

We've had plenty of luck in the cups but are still too shite to do anything about it

[aberdeen1970]

Just now, Byrne Baby Byrne said:

Got beat by St Mirren in the league cup and Dundee United in the Scottish. While St Johnstone knocked a very good Rangers team out at Ibrox.

In the period where we were regularly competing at the top end of the league and the huns were in the doldrums we lost Scottish Cup ties against St Johnstone, Dundee and Hearts who we were far better than. Having to watch St Johnstone, Inverness and Hibs win it in those seasons. 

We've had plenty of luck in the cups but are still too shite to do anything about it

Aye suggesting St Johnstone have been lucky is a stretch imo. 

That was a gutsy performance to knock out the Huns at Ibrox. We'd have gladly taken that one and been chuffed with it. 

[Byrne Baby Byrne]

2 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said:

Aye suggesting St Johnstone have been lucky is a stretch imo. 

That was a gutsy performance to knock out the Huns at Ibrox. We'd have gladly taken that one and been chuffed with it. 

Combination of the huns upping their game and us shitting our pants would have seen us lose that tie 5-0 most likely

[StandFree1982]

14 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said:

St Johnstone knocked out the Huns in the quarters 

 

5 minutes ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said:

Got beat by St Mirren in the league cup and Dundee United in the Scottish. While St Johnstone knocked a very good Rangers team out at Ibrox.

In the period where we were regularly competing at the top end of the league and the huns were in the doldrums we lost Scottish Cup ties against St Johnstone, Dundee and Hearts who we were far better than. Having to watch St Johnstone, Inverness and Hibs win it in those seasons. 

We've had plenty of luck in the cups but are still too shite to do anything about it

Ah fuck, forgot about that!! 

[aberdeen1970]

Just now, StandFree1982 said:

 

Ah fuck, forgot about that!! 

Nae worries min. 

I thought Shaugnessey was still playing for St Johnstone the other day! 

[StandFree1982]

8 minutes ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said:

Got beat by St Mirren in the league cup and Dundee United in the Scottish. While St Johnstone knocked a very good Rangers team out at Ibrox.

In the period where we were regularly competing at the top end of the league and the huns were in the doldrums we lost Scottish Cup ties against St Johnstone, Dundee and Hearts who we were far better than. Having to watch St Johnstone, Inverness and Hibs win it in those seasons. 

We've had plenty of luck in the cups but are still too shite to do anything about it

We tend to shit the bed in cup games, bar the few exceptions (Rangers at Ibrox, Hibs etc). Getting humped by the likes of Motherwell and Dundee United, beaten by St Johnstone in the season we won the LC for example. 

I'm hoping for a change under Glass, but we'll see how that goes. 

[Byrne Baby Byrne]

23 minutes ago, StandFree1982 said:

We tend to shit the bed in cup games, bar the few exceptions (Rangers at Ibrox, Hibs etc). Getting humped by the likes of Motherwell and Dundee United, beaten by St Johnstone in the season we won the LC for example. 

I'm hoping for a change under Glass, but we'll see how that goes. 

Aye thats whats most deflating. There is no specific type of cup game we lose or should aim to avoid. We are capable of losing all of them. 

We've knocked out Rangers and Celtic in Glasgow 3 times in recentish memory

But we've also lost to, ooft lets think....  Hearts, Hibs, Dundee United, Dundee, St Johnstone, St Mirren, Dunfermline, Raith, Queens Park, East Fife, Livingston, Queen of the South.

Some home, some away. Some while in good form, some while in shite. Some we've taken the lead, some we've been pumped. You name it, we'll fuck it up

[aberdeen1970]

Let's not forget the Motherwell games. 

[Ten Caat]

First season, so long as we aren't in any relegation difficulties he gets a free pass for me. It's such a huge rebuilding job he has on his hands that it will take the team a while to knit together with the new additions that will be brought in both this summer and in January. So finishing 5th-7th, whilst disappointing, I wouldn't either be too surprised about or too angry about. 

The team should almost be his by the time he has had a third window to add to the squad...summer 2022. I think it's reasonable thereafter to expect to see a consistent level of performance that gets us 3rd ideally in the league. If he finished 4th but within 5 points of 3rd plus reached a cup final, I think that would also be acceptable

3rd season, presuming he has survived that long, 3rd is an absolute necessity plus consistently good performances in cups.....semi final appearances in both as long as we don't draw an arse cheek early. Failure to get 3rd and it's the sack

4th season.....a cup win or bye bye

[aberdeen1970]

If he doesn't qualify for Europe next season it will be deemed to be an unsuccessful season imo.  Even with a rebuild to oversee. 

There are 5 European places up for grabs, we should be expecting to be one of them. 

[NEM]

32 minutes ago, Ten Caat said:

First season, so long as we aren't in any relegation difficulties he gets a free pass for me. It's such a huge rebuilding job he has on his hands that it will take the team a while to knit together with the new additions that will be brought in both this summer and in January. So finishing 5th-7th, whilst disappointing, I wouldn't either be too surprised about or too angry about. 

The team should almost be his by the time he has had a third window to add to the squad...summer 2022. I think it's reasonable thereafter to expect to see a consistent level of performance that gets us 3rd ideally in the league. If he finished 4th but within 5 points of 3rd plus reached a cup final, I think that would also be acceptable

3rd season, presuming he has survived that long, 3rd is an absolute necessity plus consistently good performances in cups.....semi final appearances in both as long as we don't draw an arse cheek early. Failure to get 3rd and it's the sack

4th season.....a cup win or bye bye

FFS I though getting Glass and co in was an attempt to rid the club of that loser attitude ?‍♂️

[StandFree1982]

We need to be at least top 6 next season.  If he's getting the backing that he presumably is getting from Cormack, there's absolutely no reason why we shouldn't be there or there abouts and pushing for Europe and cups. If he doesn't get the backing, then we're going to end up in the same situation that McGhee was in and having to play a shambolic side in Europe, with  below average players completely out of position.  

Glass is coming in at a tough time, he's got the potential of having a strong (no laughing at the baack) Hearts , Hibs, Dundee United and a very strong Rangers in the league, compared with some of the seasons McInnes had where all of the aforementioned sides were absolutely rotten (and that's nothing against McInnes in any way, he dealt with that as best he could by putting us up in top 2 for a few seasons).  On the flip side of that, the stronger the opposition, we should see more focus and determination from the players. Upping their game against better sides.   Realistically, Hearts and Dundee United will probably be as shite as they were this season and Hibs won't maintain their form. 

 

[StandFree1982]

4 minutes ago, NEM said:

FFS I though getting Glass and co in was an attempt to rid the club of that loser attitude ?‍♂️

All depends on the rebuild work and how much he gets backed. If he isn't backed, top 3 would be decent considering what he's left with at the club. 

[StandFree1982]

2 hours ago, aberdeen1970 said:

Nae worries min. 

I thought Shaugnessey was still playing for St Johnstone the other day! 

errr...what idiot would still think that.  ?

[Clydeside_Sheep]

We shouldn't heap pressure on him by discussing his managerial longevity only a few games in.

But given you ask, 8 years - that's what McInnes got.  It will take 2 - 3 years to make the team fully his own for starters.

With the cup disgrace against the hated Dungpee UShited, we have already blown an excellent chance to win a cup with Glass.

[Ten Caat]

22 minutes ago, NEM said:

FFS I though getting Glass and co in was an attempt to rid the club of that loser attitude ?‍♂️

It's the realistic view. Unless Cormack provides about £10million in funds to invest in the squad each season, we aren't winning any leagues. It doesn't mean that at the start of the season I won't be full of optimism. But I know that the status quo (love Rockin' All Over The World) will prevail deep down. 

An occasional second as one of the arse cheek teams is in decline/transition (as with Celtic this season....ourselves and Hibs have missed a huge opportunity) might happen once in a decade.