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[Jocky Balboa]

19 hours ago, NEM said:

You make some good points but Tyson before D'Amato died and he was jailed etc would have beaten Lewis and Holyfield imo.  We'll never know either way though

Tyson was scoofing champagne in his dressing room before the Douglas fight and would have won if not for a slow count from the ref.

Again, it's supposition on both sides. People do forget however, that also Ali had a 3+ year layoff and came back to conquer all, despite an initially sluggish start. He also had to contend with Foreman, who was arguably as ferocious as Tyson ever was (see how he demolished guys who went the distance with Ali and how he lifted Frazier off the floor) and prevailed. I think Ali would have beaten a prime Tyson and there is little doubt he is the GOAT in the heavyweight ranks at least. I think a young Foreman would have also beaten Tyson. 

The Douglas fight was a perfect storm IMHO; Douglas was no mug and a decent contender, completely written off by the Tyson hype machine (and Tyson himself) who fought the fight of his life for his recently departed mother (notable that he lost his first defence to Holyfield and faded into obscurity after, though). What it did do however, is expose the fact that Tyson, for all his devastating knockout power, didn't have a Plan B and really struggled when someone really, really stood up to him. Baddest man on the planet? No, biggest bully, who struggled when his opponent had no fear.

I still agree with Teddy Atlas and co. who have pointed out that he never actually beat an all-time great at their peak, never got off the canvas to win a fight (most recently, Fury is seemingly an expert at this) and never avenged any of his defeats (he was on his way to another defeat by Holyfield, hence his ear-biting tactic to get out of it). Lewis was also the type Tyson always struggled with, even in his early years and IMHO would still have won (why did Tyson's camp pay Lewis "step aside money" in the 90's??)

Top 10 heavyweight for sure, maybe even top 6, but nowhere near GOAT. 

[maryhilldon]

11 hours ago, Jocky Balboa said:

Again, it's supposition on both sides. People do forget however, that also Ali had a 3+ year layoff and came back to conquer all, despite an initially sluggish start. He also had to contend with Foreman, who was arguably as ferocious as Tyson ever was (see how he demolished guys who went the distance with Ali and how he lifted Frazier off the floor) and prevailed. I think Ali would have beaten a prime Tyson and there is little doubt he is the GOAT in the heavyweight ranks at least. I think a young Foreman would have also beaten Tyson. 

The Douglas fight was a perfect storm IMHO; Douglas was no mug and a decent contender, completely written off by the Tyson hype machine (and Tyson himself) who fought the fight of his life for his recently departed mother (notable that he lost his first defence to Holyfield and faded into obscurity after, though). What it did do however, is expose the fact that Tyson, for all his devastating knockout power, didn't have a Plan B and really struggled when someone really, really stood up to him. Baddest man on the planet? No, biggest bully, who struggled when his opponent had no fear.

I still agree with Teddy Atlas and co. who have pointed out that he never actually beat an all-time great at their peak, never got off the canvas to win a fight (most recently, Fury is seemingly an expert at this) and never avenged any of his defeats (he was on his way to another defeat by Holyfield, hence his ear-biting tactic to get out of it). Lewis was also the type Tyson always struggled with, even in his early years and IMHO would still have won (why did Tyson's camp pay Lewis "step aside money" in the 90's??)

Top 10 heavyweight for sure, maybe even top 6, but nowhere near GOAT. 

Good post.

[Jocky Balboa]

15 hours ago, maryhilldon said:

Good post.

Thanks, I'm just trying to get across that it's possible to laud Tyson for his achievements (youngest ever heavyweight champion, a record unlikely to ever be beaten) while also recognising that he is, in many respects, overrated. 

[minijc]

Navarrete v Joet Gonzalez was a quality scrap the other night, the pace that they went at was ridiculous and Joet is a tough cunt but Navarrete was just too good.

[Poodler]

Controversial ???

[Poodler]

haha fit is this 

 

[aberdeen1970]

3 hours ago, Roberto said:

Dillian Whyte with a shoulder injury...

Clearly playing the game as I firmly believe Wallin is a dangerous fight for him.

Aye. Looks like he's been tipped off that he's next in line to face Fury so he's protecting his mandatory status 

[NEM]

1 hour ago, Roberto said:

Cracking fight this weekend.

Hoping Canelo loses but just can't see it happening.

The fight card in the UFC looking good also.

Also got charity boxing on Sunday at Pittodrie. Busy weekend.

No chance Plant is beating Canelo

Colby will hopefully smoke the fake newsman

Goosey for the win Sunday

[NEM]

Just now, Roberto said:

Yeah I don't think even Plant believes it. He is not convincing anyone that he isn't just there for the money.

3 good scraps on the card IMO. Looking forward to the Gaethje fight as well.

Yeah - seen he was doing work with you, you going? I've got ticket through Coops. Looking forward to his scrap as well. Monday will be a write off.

Nah would have for sure but in Manchester this weekend for the wife's birthday

[Poodler]

Eubank Jr v Williams Dec 11

Hopefully CE-J Gets his face panned in and shuts his dad up. Can’t see him winning a world title 

 

[NEM]

Good scrap that Williams is solid 

 

Good win for local loon Dean Sutherland at the ballroom tonight. Opponent made him work for it 

[minijc]

8 hours ago, NEM said:

Good scrap that Williams is solid 

 

Good win for local loon Dean Sutherland at the ballroom tonight. Opponent made him work for it 

That's good to hear, incredible what he has achieved and still young, huge potential.

[Zeus]

Hud at. Dinna like Galahad at all. 

[Poodler]

Size of the ref made them look even smaller haha. 
 

anyone pay for Dazn? 

[NEM]

1 hour ago, Poodler said:

Size of the ref made them look even smaller haha. 
 

anyone pay for Dazn? 

I did until they put the price up. Hesgoals from now on ?

[NEM]

50 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said:

What level do you think Dean can reach NEM?

British and European definitely. Possibly World he’s still young. Be the best boxer to come out of Aberdeen 

[maryhilldon]

5 hours ago, NEM said:

British and European definitely. Possibly World he’s still young. Be the best boxer to come out of Aberdeen 

Harder than  Dayts?   

[NEM]

5 hours ago, maryhilldon said:

Harder than  Dayts?   

Don’t be daft ?

 

3 hours ago, Captain Caveman said:

Would be great to see the city host a genuine world title fight

Yeah some big nights ahead. Even a genuine British title fight (Lonsdale belt) would be class. Don’t think that’s been done before although Lee fought for the European at the exhibition centre. 

[The Cockney Don]

Randy to win by stoppage tonight.

Rounds 8-10.

[The Cockney Don]

On 11/20/2021 at 7:20 PM, The Cockney Don said:

Randy to win by stoppage tonight.

Rounds 8-10.

[aberdeen1970]

Porter put up a valiant effort as always. 

But when Crawford smells blood he's a ruthless finisher. 

Another trainer might have let him go on a wee bit longer but there was only going to be one outcome. 

[NEM]

1 hour ago, Roberto said:

Teofimo Lopez LOL.

Brilliant fight, well worth the 3:30am alarm. Superb performance from Dode Kombosis. Lopez is a fucking helmet ?

[Don Fonte]

Aye some fight that. Didn't expect that outcome but loving it. Lopez believing his own hype it seems.

[NEM]

8 hours ago, Roberto said:

His dad better be eating humble pie right now.

'Josh Taylor using my son's name, who is Josh Taylor'. LOL.

Taylor would obliterate him. He bullied an injured Lomachenko for 6 rounds using his size advantage. Wouldn’t give him a rematch though, knew Loma had figured him out.

Taylor naturally same size or bigger, no chance he’d bully him 

[Poodler]

Kambosos Sr is a bit of a ledge 

 

great fight 

 

hope he gets his first defence in Bri’s back yard l

[NEM]

4 minutes ago, Roberto said:

Brook vs Khan in February. It's come a few years too late.

Under consideration to go, however already going to Blackpool in February for corporate at the fitba. 

I hope Brook knocks the wee cunt out. Sound cunt is Brook.

PPV as well.  Laughable

[NEM]

25 minutes ago, Roberto said:

They still have Chisora as PPV these days, so all things considered I don't have an issue with it being PPV.

Still a big fight at the end of the day and probably the last for both. Brook hopefully gets the final laugh on matters.

Press conference was a joke like.

5+ years ago aye, not now it isn't.  2 washed up has been's after a final payday.  It'll be hesgoal for me!

 

 

[NEM]

Amir Khant 

[The Cockney Don]

Few of the boys will be there, it's City v Spurs that weekend.

I don't dislike Khan, but would like to see Brook win.

[Don Fonte]

I'm going. Not particularly excited by the fight anymore but will love to see Khan chinned in person.

Agreed the fight is way too late, more than even 5 years I'd suggest, more like 7 (I think) after Brook best Porter. It'll be a carry on for the weekend anyway.