Scottish Independence Referendum 2

[daytripping]

8 minutes ago, Parklife said:

O&G is dying. Rightly so. 

What should've been happening for a generation is the preparation for the transition to the renewables sector. Training schemes, greater incentives for renewables start-ups, proper subsidies for renewable electricity fed in to the grid. 

Scotland has something like 25% of all of Europe's wind. We should be a powerhouse of European energy. Providing electricity across Europe. 

Instead we've got folk clinging to the past and thinking sustaining O&G in perpetuity is a solution. It's not. 

People working in O&G have been and are being failed. 

Nearly everyone is getting into the wind game, so much so there's very little profit to be had. There's also recently been a cable laid between Norway and Britain so we can import electricity. We won't be exporting anything, even self sustaining is beyond us. 

While we're also importing oil and gas it makes no sense to cut back production for ourselves. We've also got decommissioning work on a big scale to come, the industry is far from dead, it will outlive any of us.  

[Betty Swallicks]

14 minutes ago, Parklife said:

O&G is dying. Rightly so. 

What should've been happening for a generation is the preparation for the transition to the renewables sector. Training schemes, greater incentives for renewables start-ups, proper subsidies for renewable electricity fed in to the grid. 

Scotland has something like 25% of all of Europe's wind. We should be a powerhouse of European energy. Providing electricity across Europe. 

Instead we've got folk clinging to the past and thinking sustaining O&G in perpetuity is a solution. It's not. 

People working in O&G have been and are being failed. 

I think the SNP claim its 25% if you add in tidal potential.

I also think they just made that figure up. 

[afc1903mad]

On 9/15/2021 at 8:10 AM, NEM said:

They received 47.7% of the vote on a 63% turnout.  You could lump the Green voters in I suppose (they're not the full shilling either) but that still leaves you short

I hate this stat when its dished out. Purely trying to disguise the true facts.

 

SNP got 47.7% of the constitutional vote with a 1.2% increase swing

Conservatives got 21.9% of the constitutional vote with a 0.1 decrease swing

Labour got 21.6% of the constitutional vote with a 1% decrease swing

Greens got 1.3% of the constitutional vote with a 0.7% increase swing

Lib Dems got 6.9% of the constitutional vote with  a 0.9% decrease swing

 

Its entirely plausible that SNP gain votes from the electorate that may not wish to vote SNP on their policies but is overridden by the desire to be an independent nation.

If that were able to be achieved, its plausible that then the SNP would have much weaker strength of support.

[caledonia]

Stop arguing about oil lads remember it was running out in 2014

just think with no more oil thousands of white Audi’s wont be polluting the north east.

[Parklife]

9 minutes ago, daytripping said:

We won't be exporting anything, even self sustaining is beyond us. 

Scotland produced more energy than it needed from renewables last year, in pure percentage terms, I believe  

Due to it being from renewables, there are of course times when we've needed the non-renewable side to fill the gaps. 

England cant self-sustain though, I agree. It's there for luck that they've got friendly neighbours who'll sell them leccy 

[Joe pike]

13 minutes ago, caledonia said:

Stop arguing about oil lads remember it was running out in 2014

just think with no more oil thousands of white Audi’s wont be polluting the north east.

Typical SNP jealousy policy.

Take everybody to the lowest common denominator.

[manboobs109]

41 minutes ago, Parklife said:

O&G is dying. Rightly so. 

What should've been happening for a generation is the preparation for the transition to the renewables sector. Training schemes, greater incentives for renewables start-ups, proper subsidies for renewable electricity fed in to the grid. 

Scotland has something like 25% of all of Europe's wind. We should be a powerhouse of European energy. Providing electricity across Europe. 

Instead we've got folk clinging to the past and thinking sustaining O&G in perpetuity is a solution. It's not. 

People working in O&G have been and are being failed. 

How can you have 25% of wind? Total makey upper.

[davieb]

1 hour ago, daytripping said:

I can tell you 100% that they are, more so the meeting to see which way things are going to go in the future. The well enhancement jobs and the like have all been shelved, the Nats risking and losing peoples jobs because they''re scared of committing to the future of the industry. 

You meant to type "because of  the UKs government energy policies", which I'm sure you know is not a devolved matter?

[Parklife]

2 minutes ago, manboobs109 said:

How can you have 25% of wind? Total makey upper.

You being an ignoramus doesn't mean things are made up. 

[davieb]

7 minutes ago, manboobs109 said:

How can you have 25% of wind? Total makey upper.

It's based on estimate of onshore and offshore wind capacity taking  account of geographical location and current wind technologies.

[manboobs109]

Just now, Parklife said:

You being an ignoramus doesn't mean things are made up. 

It's total pish. Does it start and end in Scotland? If it comes over the sea from Ireland to Scotland does that make it Irish or Scottish wind? What about English wind that blows over the border?

So sound like the Brexit lads you mock going on about British fish.

[manboobs109]

Just now, davieb said:

It's based on estimate of onshore and offshore wind capacity based of geographical location and current wind technologies.

Meaningless corporate pish. No chance we've got 25% of "Europe's wind"

[caledonia]

16 minutes ago, Joe pike said:

Typical SNP jealousy policy.

Take everybody to the lowest common denominator.

Rattled but I don’t support the SNP so you’re point is shite anyway.

[NEM]

41 minutes ago, afc1903mad said:

I hate this stat when its dished out. Purely trying to disguise the true facts.

 

SNP got 47.7% of the constitutional vote with a 1.2% increase swing

Conservatives got 21.9% of the constitutional vote with a 0.1 decrease swing

Labour got 21.6% of the constitutional vote with a 1% decrease swing

Greens got 1.3% of the constitutional vote with a 0.7% increase swing

Lib Dems got 6.9% of the constitutional vote with  a 0.9% decrease swing

 

Its entirely plausible that SNP gain votes from the electorate that may not wish to vote SNP on their policies but is overridden by the desire to be an independent nation.

If that were able to be achieved, its plausible that then the SNP would have much weaker strength of support.

The true fact is they didn't receive a majority of the vote.  No attempt to disguise anything.

Remainder of your post is meaningless drivel

[afc1903mad]

13 minutes ago, manboobs109 said:

Meaningless corporate pish. No chance we've got 25% of "Europe's wind"

It winna be how much a hoor o a gale is blowing ower the land / sea, it'll be how much infrastructure is in place to harness the wind or how much as a percentage that harnessed power is supporting the grid

[afc1903mad]

2 minutes ago, NEM said:

The true fact is they didn't receive a majority of the vote.  No attempt to disguise anything.

Remainder of your post is meaningless drivel

Agreed, it was not a majority of the vote, but more than double the nearest opposition, in fact more than the two largest opposition parties (Conservative and Labour) combined.

[NEM]

2 minutes ago, afc1903mad said:

Agreed, it was not a majority of the vote, but more than double the nearest opposition, in fact more than the two largest opposition parties (Conservative and Labour) combined.

All well and good but absolutely nothing to do with the point I made

[davieb]

7 minutes ago, manboobs109 said:

Meaningless corporate pish. No chance we've got 25% of "Europe's wind"

Based on your in-depth analysis aye? ?

 

[manboobs109]

7 minutes ago, davieb said:

Based on your in-depth analysis aye? ?

 

Aye

[afc1903mad]

10 minutes ago, NEM said:

All well and good but absolutely nothing to do with the point I made

Get that.

We both made factually correct statements

What was it that Ebbe said about statistics?

[NEM]

3 minutes ago, afc1903mad said:

Get that.

We both made factually correct statements

What was it that Ebbe said about statistics?

Ha ha fair enough.  Who's the baldy boy next to him?  Osher Williams?

[Parklife]

28 minutes ago, afc1903mad said:

It winna be how much a hoor o a gale is blowing ower the land / sea, 

It is. 

[afc1903mad]

2 minutes ago, NEM said:

Ha ha fair enough.  Who's the baldy boy next to him?  Osher Williams?

thought it was Laurent Djaffo

[daytripping]

1 hour ago, Parklife said:

Scotland produced more energy than it needed from renewables last year, in pure percentage terms, I believe  

Due to it being from renewables, there are of course times when we've needed the non-renewable side to fill the gaps. 

England cant self-sustain though, I agree. It's there for luck that they've got friendly neighbours who'll sell them leccy 

They've a brand new shiny cable from Norway that cost £2 billion to do that, they don't need us.

[afc1903mad]

4 minutes ago, Parklife said:

It is. 

Got a link for that?

You have to challenge that Scotland gets 25% of ALL of Europe's wind.

To be honest, even harnessing the wind energy at 25% is questionable.

I did see a partial wind map for Europe that shows the wind strength in Scotland is greater. Not sure why they've missed out Norwar, Sweden and other European nations

[Matt Armstrong's Dog]

24 minutes ago, afc1903mad said:

thought it was Laurent Djaffo

It is. A former of resident of Cove Bay (the posh part of Cove) I'm led to believe.

How the fuck he ended up on the Stand Free video is beyond me. Surely, there were better and more noteworthy moments in our club's history to be put on the video rather his goal against Hearts. 

[davieb]

9 minutes ago, afc1903mad said:

Got a link for that?

You have to challenge that Scotland gets 25% of ALL of Europe's wind.

To be honest, even harnessing the wind energy at 25% is questionable.

I did see a partial wind map for Europe that shows the wind strength in Scotland is greater. Not sure why they've missed out Norwar, Sweden and other European nations

Probably EU countries at the time

[manboobs109]

16 minutes ago, Parklife said:

It is. 

Complete rubbish. 

[Parklife]

7 minutes ago, afc1903mad said:

Got a link for that?

You have to challenge that Scotland gets 25% of ALL of Europe's wind.

To be honest, even harnessing the wind energy at 25% is questionable.

I did see a partial wind map for Europe that shows the wind strength in Scotland is greater. Not sure why they've missed out Norwar, Sweden and other European nations

I'll look for a link when I get time over the weekend. Can't mind where I read it. 

For the past 2 years Scotland has already generated around 100% of the power we need. There's no reason we shouldn't be building upon that and exporting it to Europe. The technology to enable this to be done more efficiently will come but we as a country should be investing in this as heavily as possible IMO. 

[Parklife]

Just now, manboobs109 said:

Complete rubbish. 

Just repeating something doesn't add validity to it, troll boy.