Scottish Independence Referendum 2

[Matt Armstrong's Dog]

33 minutes ago, cheesepipes said:

Big fan of gumbo. 

Same here?

Taking a dart for the team. A proper man.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

16 hours ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

I mean, O and G has had decades now to try start moving people/retraining people to be well versed in renewable energy. The fact is they've slowed down that process/put it off because there is still money to be made. 
 

Fossil fuels are no longer viable, we should be looking to make them obsolete as quickly as possible. That's the reality. 
 

Do I think a Thatcher style industry change is a good idea? No, and I wouldn't back that. 
 

Do I think O/G has had long enough to try make the changes necessary? Aye, and the fact they haven't is the industry's own fault. Harvie is just about the only MSP I agree with on most things. 
 

Sturgeon has a brass neck right enough to cuddle up the Greens considering the last economic plan for independence was heavily based on the oil industry. 
 

 

Harvie is a clown who lives in a fantasy world.  He has no family and has never done a days work in his life.  His life experience is very far removed from the ordinary folk, meaning he cant really relate to the people he is supposed to represent.  He goes everywhere on a bike, as he doesn't need a car to transport the wife and weans he doesn't have. He can bring his weekly shop home in his jacket pockets.

Its not the responsibility of the oil and gas industry to creature and nurture a renewables industry.  if its viable, it will happen on its own.  Not doing too well so far, very few "green jobs" have appeared,  significantly less - typically - than the SNP trumpeted.  Of course, variable renewables like wind still leaves the question of what provides the base load?

I believe in sustainability, looking after the environment etc - but equally I do not buy all the alarmism.  Look at all the private jets arriving for COP26, the electric cars charged up by diesel generators etc.  its all nonsense, just a stage for politicians really

The energy transition is all talk - and Sturgeon specialises in hot air, not delivery or achievement.

~80% of Scottish homes are heated by natural gas.  That's going to take decades to change.

Electric cars are - currently -only really status symbols for the rich.  Until the technology improves and costs come down, we can forget them replacing combustion engined cars any time soon.  I believe Sturgeons targets - which are only designed to grab headlines, nothing more - will not be met.  E.g. no more combustion engined cars sold after 2030?  Really?  I would be genuinely surprised if that's the case.  Sturgeon doesn't care either way, she will be long gone by then.  The targets mean nothing to her or her credibility, its all just for headlines.

There is no such thing as "green energy".  The idea is like making an omelette without cracking any eggs.

As well as new oil fields being developed, places like Grangemouth are still having tens of millions invested every year.  This is not a industry which is going anywhere, anytime soon.  Sturgeon's volte face on oil, and bringing in the Greens etc, was all just to provide a context for her job hunting at COP26.

in 2014 she said we were going to have a 2nd oil boom.  Now she says oil is the worst thing ever.  Truly amazing that anyone is still taken in by her.

By all means let us look after place and seek to improve, but lets not cut our own throats doing it.

TL:DR - harvie and sturgeon are cunts, climate alarmism is bunk and oil and gas will be with us for decades to come.

[dazzy_deff]

On 12/1/2021 at 9:01 AM, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

@Roberto is he THE, Dom Sullivan, former Dons player?

 

 

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Thought you were clever?

[Ramandu]

20 minutes ago, dazzy_deff said:

The company that sponsor the site is at the top of the page. 

Do they only sponsor the desktop version?

[Parklife]

32 minutes ago, Ramandu said:

Do they only sponsor the desktop version?

I think it only shows up on the desktop version, aye. 

[NEM]

11 hours ago, Clydeside_Sheep said:

Harvie is a clown who lives in a fantasy world.  He has no family and has never done a days work in his life.  His life experience is very far removed from the ordinary folk, meaning he cant really relate to the people he is supposed to represent.  He goes everywhere on a bike, as he doesn't need a car to transport the wife and weans he doesn't have. He can bring his weekly shop home in his jacket pockets.

Its not the responsibility of the oil and gas industry to creature and nurture a renewables industry.  if its viable, it will happen on its own.  Not doing too well so far, very few "green jobs" have appeared,  significantly less - typically - than the SNP trumpeted.  Of course, variable renewables like wind still leaves the question of what provides the base load?

I believe in sustainability, looking after the environment etc - but equally I do not buy all the alarmism.  Look at all the private jets arriving for COP26, the electric cars charged up by diesel generators etc.  its all nonsense, just a stage for politicians really

The energy transition is all talk - and Sturgeon specialises in hot air, not delivery or achievement.

~80% of Scottish homes are heated by natural gas.  That's going to take decades to change.

Electric cars are - currently -only really status symbols for the rich.  Until the technology improves and costs come down, we can forget them replacing combustion engined cars any time soon.  I believe Sturgeons targets - which are only designed to grab headlines, nothing more - will not be met.  E.g. no more combustion engined cars sold after 2030?  Really?  I would be genuinely surprised if that's the case.  Sturgeon doesn't care either way, she will be long gone by then.  The targets mean nothing to her or her credibility, its all just for headlines.

There is no such thing as "green energy".  The idea is like making an omelette without cracking any eggs.

As well as new oil fields being developed, places like Grangemouth are still having tens of millions invested every year.  This is not a industry which is going anywhere, anytime soon.  Sturgeon's volte face on oil, and bringing in the Greens etc, was all just to provide a context for her job hunting at COP26.

in 2014 she said we were going to have a 2nd oil boom.  Now she says oil is the worst thing ever.  Truly amazing that anyone is still taken in by her.

By all means let us look after place and seek to improve, but lets not cut our own throats doing it.

TL:DR - harvie and sturgeon are cunts, climate alarmism is bunk and oil and gas will be with us for decades to come.

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[NEM]

59 minutes ago, dazzy_deff said:

The company that sponsor the site is at the top of the page. Now take a look at what services that company provide! 

Thought you were clever?

Really?!!!

[dazzy_deff]

27 minutes ago, NEM said:

Really?!!!

It was very much tongue in cheek.

[maryhilldon]

15 hours ago, Clydeside_Sheep said:

Harvie is a clown who lives in a fantasy world.  He has no family and has never done a days work in his life.  His life experience is very far removed from the ordinary folk, meaning he cant really relate to the people he is supposed to represent.  He goes everywhere on a bike, as he doesn't need a car to transport the wife and weans he doesn't have. He can bring his weekly shop home in his jacket pockets.

Its not the responsibility of the oil and gas industry to creature and nurture a renewables industry.  if its viable, it will happen on its own.  Not doing too well so far, very few "green jobs" have appeared,  significantly less - typically - than the SNP trumpeted.  Of course, variable renewables like wind still leaves the question of what provides the base load?

I believe in sustainability, looking after the environment etc - but equally I do not buy all the alarmism.  Look at all the private jets arriving for COP26, the electric cars charged up by diesel generators etc.  its all nonsense, just a stage for politicians really

The energy transition is all talk - and Sturgeon specialises in hot air, not delivery or achievement.

~80% of Scottish homes are heated by natural gas.  That's going to take decades to change.

Electric cars are - currently -only really status symbols for the rich.  Until the technology improves and costs come down, we can forget them replacing combustion engined cars any time soon.  I believe Sturgeons targets - which are only designed to grab headlines, nothing more - will not be met.  E.g. no more combustion engined cars sold after 2030?  Really?  I would be genuinely surprised if that's the case.  Sturgeon doesn't care either way, she will be long gone by then.  The targets mean nothing to her or her credibility, its all just for headlines.

There is no such thing as "green energy".  The idea is like making an omelette without cracking any eggs.

As well as new oil fields being developed, places like Grangemouth are still having tens of millions invested every year.  This is not a industry which is going anywhere, anytime soon.  Sturgeon's volte face on oil, and bringing in the Greens etc, was all just to provide a context for her job hunting at COP26.

in 2014 she said we were going to have a 2nd oil boom.  Now she says oil is the worst thing ever.  Truly amazing that anyone is still taken in by her.

By all means let us look after place and seek to improve, but lets not cut our own throats doing it.

TL:DR - harvie and sturgeon are cunts, climate alarmism is bunk and oil and gas will be with us for decades to come.

Good post. Sturgeon lacks any real substance, like every other politician she's just on one massive ego trip. There must be enough hot air coming out of Holyrood and Westminster to heat the nations homes.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

After me bigging up oil and gas, apparently Shell have pulled out of the Cambo oil field - they owned 30% of the rights.  its obviously a reputational decision -  Imaging running scared from the likes of the Scottish Greens FFS.

I expect (and hope) an operator which is not such a "big name" company will pick up their rights instead.

The problem with Holyrood and parties like the greens especially, is that they can mouth off on isolated topics - they dont have to look at the big picture, in their little fantasy world.

Do they really prefer that we are dependent on Russia for gas, who can then hike prices and squeeze supplies?  Never mind his 10,000 tanks, long range bombers and nuclear weapons, the crucial gas supply is Putin's biggest weapon against the west.  He can fuck the lot of us, simply by shutting a valve.

The gas prices are already going crazy, yet Scottish politicians are exposing us to even higher costs for heating / cooking.  It shows they do not serve us, but pursue their own agendas.

What plan do they have to replace fuel supply for the 80% of Scottish homes heated by gas?  Nothing.  What plan do they have to ensure adequate charging points for a nation using electric vehicles?  Nothing.  What plan do they have to increase predictable electricity generation, given the massive increase in demand electric cars will cause?  Nothing.

Trans rights for non-binary remainers though?  All sorted.

Holyrood wont be happy until we are all unemployed and sitting shivering in our frozen homes.

Of course, it will be Westminster's fault.

Edit - Sturgeons comments on Cambo are only to keep the Green perverts happy - and so complaint - until she bows out of politics.  Which it seems will be by the next election at the latest.

[Simply Red]

Shell aint that daft. They’ll make sure they keep their hand in on the sly. 

[Jocky Balboa]

21 hours ago, Clydeside_Sheep said:

After me bigging up oil and gas, apparently Shell have pulled out of the Cambo oil field - they owned 30% of the rights.  its obviously a reputational decision -  Imaging running scared from the likes of the Scottish Greens FFS.

I expect (and hope) an operator which is not such a "big name" company will pick up their rights instead.

The problem with Holyrood and parties like the greens especially, is that they can mouth off on isolated topics - they dont have to look at the big picture, in their little fantasy world.

Do they really prefer that we are dependent on Russia for gas, who can then hike prices and squeeze supplies?  Never mind his 10,000 tanks, long range bombers and nuclear weapons, the crucial gas supply is Putin's biggest weapon against the west.  He can fuck the lot of us, simply by shutting a valve.

The gas prices are already going crazy, yet Scottish politicians are exposing us to even higher costs for heating / cooking.  It shows they do not serve us, but pursue their own agendas.

What plan do they have to replace fuel supply for the 80% of Scottish homes heated by gas?  Nothing.  What plan do they have to ensure adequate charging points for a nation using electric vehicles?  Nothing.  What plan do they have to increase predictable electricity generation, given the massive increase in demand electric cars will cause?  Nothing.

Trans rights for non-binary remainers though?  All sorted.

Holyrood wont be happy until we are all unemployed and sitting shivering in our frozen homes.

Of course, it will be Westminster's fault.

Edit - Sturgeons comments on Cambo are only to keep the Green perverts happy - and so complaint - until she bows out of politics.  Which it seems will be by the next election at the latest.

Good post, but it's all a moot point, as this charlatan and her pet chutney ferret Harvie have absolutely no intention of delivering independence, or a "Green" future. They're merely a pair of publicity hungry, virtue signalling chancers. Sadly, the wider public are still taken in by their horse shit. 

[Guest]

On 12/2/2021 at 12:15 AM, Clydeside_Sheep said:

Harvie is a clown who lives in a fantasy world.  He has no family and has never done a days work in his life.  His life experience is very far removed from the ordinary folk, meaning he cant really relate to the people he is supposed to represent.  He goes everywhere on a bike, as he doesn't need a car to transport the wife and weans he doesn't have. He can bring his weekly shop home in his jacket pockets.

Its not the responsibility of the oil and gas industry to creature and nurture a renewables industry.  if its viable, it will happen on its own* Not doing too well so far, very few "green jobs" have appeared,  significantly less - typically - than the SNP trumpeted.  Of course, variable renewables like wind still leaves the question of what provides the base load?**

I believe in sustainability, looking after the environment etc - but equally I do not buy all the alarmism.  Look at all the private jets arriving for COP26, the electric cars charged up by diesel generators etc.  its all nonsense, just a stage for politicians really***

The energy transition is all talk - and Sturgeon specialises in hot air, not delivery or achievement.

~80% of Scottish homes are heated by natural gas.  That's going to take decades to change.

Electric cars are - currently -only really status symbols for the rich.  Until the technology improves and costs come down, we can forget them replacing combustion engined cars any time soon.  I believe Sturgeons targets - which are only designed to grab headlines, nothing more - will not be met.  E.g. no more combustion engined cars sold after 2030?  Really?  I would be genuinely surprised if that's the case.  Sturgeon doesn't care either way, she will be long gone by then.  The targets mean nothing to her or her credibility, its all just for headlines.

There is no such thing as "green energy".  The idea is like making an omelette without cracking any eggs.

As well as new oil fields being developed, places like Grangemouth are still having tens of millions invested every year.  This is not a industry which is going anywhere, anytime soon.  Sturgeon's volte face on oil, and bringing in the Greens etc, was all just to provide a context for her job hunting at COP26.

in 2014 she said we were going to have a 2nd oil boom.  Now she says oil is the worst thing ever.  Truly amazing that anyone is still taken in by her.

By all means let us look after place and seek to improve, but lets not cut our own throats doing it.

TL:DR - harvie and sturgeon are cunts, climate alarmism is bunk and oil and gas will be with us for decades to come.

*Naive to think that IMO. 
 

**- Fair question and one I'm yet to see addressed properly, in fairness. I'd argue it's very hard to gain funding etc with ail' still making so much money. 
 

***Just because our elected representatives are cunts, doesn't mean that we shouldn't be concerned about climate change. The fact they don't take it seriously, as you rightly point out, with their rank hypocrisy, shows their contempt for the average person, rather than climate change being something to be less alarmed about. 
 

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I agree with just about everything else you've said there. She has changed her mind, clear as day, which personally I agree with, but aye, does ruin her credibility. 
 

I share your views, me saying it's going to become obsolete is probably more in hope than reality, if I'm being honest. I don't truly believe the powers that be want to change it that much, rather to be seen to be trying to change it. 
 

Re Patrick Harvie I agree with what he says, but aye, probs not relatable to punters.  

[Clydeside_Sheep]

On 12/5/2021 at 11:45 PM, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

*Naive to think that IMO. 
 

**- Fair question and one I'm yet to see addressed properly, in fairness. I'd argue it's very hard to gain funding etc with ail' still making so much money. 
 

***Just because our elected representatives are cunts, doesn't mean that we shouldn't be concerned about climate change. The fact they don't take it seriously, as you rightly point out, with their rank hypocrisy, shows their contempt for the average person, rather than climate change being something to be less alarmed about. 
 

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I agree with just about everything else you've said there. She has changed her mind, clear as day, which personally I agree with, but aye, does ruin her credibility. 
 

I share your views, me saying it's going to become obsolete is probably more in hope than reality, if I'm being honest. I don't truly believe the powers that be want to change it that much, rather to be seen to be trying to change it. 
 

Re Patrick Harvie I agree with what he says, but aye, probs not relatable to punters.  

+1 Good and fair post my man!

Re base load there was a herald article recently, saying the SNP will (paraphrasing) "continue to snub nuclear power to ensure low energy prices for scots".

The statement is a complete inversion of reality, nuclear is dirt cheap whereas green power need subsidies, which is one factor behind why gas bills are so high right now.

Edit -the french are well into nuclear power and I believe have some of the most reliable and cheap energy in europe.

[Parklife]

Just now, Clydeside_Sheep said:

nuclear is dirt cheap 

LOL 

 

[Ke1t]

Realistically, Scotland shouldn't be an independent country, or even viewed AS a country at this point. 

 

 

[maryhilldon]

2 minutes ago, Ke1t said:

Realistically, Scotland shouldn't be an independent country, or even viewed AS a country at this point. 

 

 

None of your business yank.

[Ke1t]

Just now, maryhilldon said:

None of your business yank.

Dual Citizen, tax payer, property owner... it's very much my business ??

 

[RedArmyFakshun]

1 minute ago, Ke1t said:

Realistically, Scotland shouldn't be an independent country, or even viewed AS a country at this point. 

Spot on.  The political class in Scotland are a fucking joke

Five years ago I was keen on Independence, remain in EU, and an identification with leftist reform

But here we are today, the political landscape has been turned upside down, and ideologically i now have more in common with backbench Tories in Westminster than that shower of shite in Holyrood

Crazy times

[maryhilldon]

1 minute ago, Grays Babylon 1875 said:

Mary on her second cup of Buckle here.

A knife slashing is coming hoo mama.

Stop talking gibberish Spud. Cmon, you're not 12 anymore, try speaking like a grown up.

[maryhilldon]

8 minutes ago, Ke1t said:

Dual Citizen, tax payer, property owner... it's very much my business ??

 

Just a bit of mischief Kelt, no offence intended.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

25 minutes ago, Parklife said:

LOL 

 

Apologies if my info is out of date, but I always understood nuclear to be cheap and reliable.

I suppose its hard to do comparisons these days, with all the grants and subsidies etc.

[Ke1t]

1 minute ago, maryhilldon said:

Just a bit of mischief Kelt, no offence intended.

It's all fun and games ?

[maryhilldon]

2 minutes ago, Grays Babylon 1875 said:

Fuck that. 

I do that through the week.  It's Friday night.

Suck my asshole you fucking little fuckhead. 

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Poopy pants.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

21 minutes ago, RedArmyFakshun said:

 ideologically i now have more in common with backbench Tories in Westminster than that shower of shite in Holyrood

Welcome to society.

(You are so right about the scottish political class.)

[RedArmyFakshun]

32 minutes ago, Clydeside_Sheep said:

Welcome to society.

fuck society

"you're nothing but a pack of cards"

[redstrummer]

This will right off the table now for years to come , unfortunately.

[Jocky Balboa]

On 3/2/2022 at 6:18 PM, redstrummer said:

This will right off the table now for years to come , unfortunately.

Myself and many others were slated back in 2016 for suggesting that the SNP leadership's lack of urgency on independence was not down to apprehension after having lost in 2014 (indeed, some critics on both sides of the debate suggested, not without merit, that Sturgeon and her cohorts were behaving as if they won the vote) but rather an inclination towards feathering their own nest. I remain resolutely behind my view that the Sturgeon and Murrell team will never deliver independence.

Looking at the wider picture, it's a lucrative gig for the FM, this devolution status quo; Scotland hasn't voted Tory since the 1950's and never will again, whilst Labour are both tarred and feathered for their "Better Together" alliance and unelectable. All the SNP have to do is dangle a carrot at every election cycle and they win-win, by way of a cushy number for careerists, whilst never actually having to move their arse to make good on the Party's one-time MO. 

I'll even go a step further and say that, barring an unforeseen miracle, there will be a United Ireland before an independent Scotland. I will be happy to be proved wrong.

 

[Jocky Balboa]

So, as we approach the halfway point in 2022, where is the oracle (sorry, FM) in her eternal quest for interdependence? Does anyone seriously believe her latest horse shit, that there will be another referendum in 2023? Just another Krankie Karrot being dangled before the local elections:-

https://www.thenational.scot/news/20081000.scottish-independence-nicola-sturgeon-says-vote-2023-still-realistic/

As things stand, Sinn Fein are in a prime position to be the largest party in NI, as they were (albeit only just) in the Republic's last election. At this rate, a United Ireland looks more likely to happen before an independent Scotland, if indeed the latter ever happens, which looks way off now.

The Sturgeon happy clappers only have themselves to blame, for they were well warned.

[caledonia]

Totally agree

Vote Alba fuck the SNP