Scottish Independence Referendum 2

[NEM]

1 hour ago, Jocky Balboa said:

So, as we approach the halfway point in 2022, where is the oracle (sorry, FM) in her eternal quest for interdependence? Does anyone seriously believe her latest horse shit, that there will be another referendum in 2023? Just another Krankie Karrot being dangled before the local elections:-

https://www.thenational.scot/news/20081000.scottish-independence-nicola-sturgeon-says-vote-2023-still-realistic/

As things stand, Sinn Fein are in a prime position to be the largest party in NI, as they were (albeit only just) in the Republic's last election. At this rate, a United Ireland looks more likely to happen before an independent Scotland, if indeed the latter ever happens, which looks way off now.

The Sturgeon happy clappers only have themselves to blame, for they were well warned.

Sturgeons more interesting in grandstanding and pushing for blokes to use wifeys bogs than an independence vote. She knows if she were to lose it her career in the limelight’s over 

[Jocky Balboa]

35 minutes ago, NEM said:

Sturgeons more interesting in grandstanding and pushing for blokes to use wifeys bogs than an independence vote. She knows if she were to lose it her career in the limelight’s over 

The transactivist brigade are extremist nutjobs who, in their dangerous sense of delusion and entitlement, think their "feelz" trump millions of years of evolutionary biology. Hence why we have mediocre male athletes trouncing elite female ones, ignoring why women have their own sporting categories to begin with. 

We need leaders with a backbone to stand up to woke nutters like Sturgeon. Biological males who use women's toilets are faggots with a mental illness, end of. Biological males who infiltrate women's sports are cowards who can't compete fairly, end of. 

[Jocky Balboa]

As a side note NEM, while I don't think a Yes vote and/or independence is inevitable yet, I'd proffer that it's hard to see how the No side could win again, in a fair contest. Not only did they shoot their bolt last time, throwing everything but the kitchen sink, the circumstances since 2014 have only further served to highlight - and even enhance - both the democratic deficit and the ideological divergence between Scotland and England. I am still of the view that the Tories are a shoo-in for the 2024 election, regardless of who leads them, while barring a miracle they will likely win in 2029 again, ushering in a quarter of a century of Tory rule we never voted for. 

That said, the utter failure to capitalise on this - and the relative flat lining of the Yes support since 2015 - is a terrible indictment on the Sturgeon era. She and her cohorts are no more than careerist chancers and SJW activists, for whom the SNP are, like New Labour before them, nothing more than a lucrative meal ticket.

[Parklife]

45 minutes ago, Jocky Balboa said:

 

That said, the utter failure to capitalise on this - and the relative flat lining of the Yes support since 2015 - is a terrible indictment on the Sturgeon era. 

We don't agree on much but I'm with you 100% on that one. 

[sigh]

1 hour ago, Jocky Balboa said:

That said, the utter failure to capitalise on this - and the relative flat lining of the Yes support since 2015 - is a terrible indictment on the Sturgeon era. She and her cohorts are no more than careerist chancers and SJW activists, for whom the SNP are, like New Labour before them, nothing more than a lucrative meal ticket.

So, if yer nae keen on Sturgeon who would you like to lead us into the land of milk and honey? 

[Misers Hill]

John Lennon or either Putin.??

[manboobs109]

2 hours ago, sigh said:

So, if yer nae keen on Sturgeon who would you like to lead us into the land of milk and honey? 

A good looking wee thing with big tits.

[Beachend Bootboy]

7 minutes ago, manboobs109 said:

A good looking wee thing with big tits.

Consi in drag.

[Jocky Balboa]

9 hours ago, sigh said:

So, if yer nae keen on Sturgeon who would you like to lead us into the land of milk and honey? 

That's just it - the constitutional debate is centred on who is best equipped to decide Scotland's destiny; we either stick with the status quo, or choose another path as a smaller, but arguably more autonomous, entity. The main figurehead should be irrelevant, as the case should be strong enough as to transcend the cult of personality.

The idea of independence is fraught with risk, that is true, and equally true is that just as much uncertainty lies at the heart of it, as it did in 2014. For one thing, the European question is far from unanimous.

On the other hand, the case for the Union is weaker than in 2014, as it continues to be London/SE-centric, to the detriment of the remainder of the country. The UK is also a country whose influence in the world has been in terminal decline for decades. Devolution may have brought some benefits, but clearly it doesn't mitigate the incompetence of a succession of WM governments, the majority of whom Scotland did not vote for.

 

[Jigsaw666]

All politicians are cunts. Not a single one deserves oxygen. Scotland should be independent because we are politically estranged from England. Pointless us even voting in a UK election as it doesn't matter who we vote for, England will give us whichever arseholes they want.

[CCB III]

5 hours ago, Jigsaw666 said:

All politicians are cunts. Not a single one deserves oxygen. Scotland should be independent because we are politically estranged from England. Pointless us even voting in a UK election as it doesn't matter who we vote for, England will give us whichever arseholes they want.

Long and short of it. 
 

I do still think there are some naive cunts who are genuinely trying to do good, but can't in our electoral system. They make up about 1%. 
 

Scottish people are naturally subservient and I've never been surer that we won't be an independent nation. 

[Poodler]

1 hour ago, CCB III said:

 

 

Scottish people are naturally subservient and I've never been surer that we won't be an independent nation. 

+1 brother 

[CCB III]

26 minutes ago, Poodler said:

+1 brother 

Half of our country take pride in being dictated to by another nation, it's literally their identity. 
 

Hope the German police gave the huns a good kicking last night. 

[cheesepipes]

1 hour ago, CCB III said:

Half of our country take pride in being dictated to by another nation, it's literally their identity. 
 

 

English Supervisor at the Airport.... "hey, pretty boy, get off your fucking phone and get into cubicle 3, welded on shitstain explosion."

CCB III...."Sorry boss, right on it" 

[CCB III]

1 hour ago, cheesepipes said:

English Supervisor at the Airport.... "hey, pretty boy, get off your fucking phone and get into cubicle 3, welded on shitstain explosion."

CCB III...."Sorry boss, right on it" 

???

 

Not going to point out any factual inaccuracies cause it made me lol. 
 

Thanks for calling me pretty tho ?

[Jocky Balboa]

On 4/28/2022 at 11:55 PM, Jigsaw666 said:

All politicians are cunts. Not a single one deserves oxygen. Scotland should be independent because we are politically estranged from England. Pointless us even voting in a UK election as it doesn't matter who we vote for, England will give us whichever arseholes they want.

Good point. I remember an analysis from 2014, where the UK general election results since 1945 were tallied with and without the Scottish vote and it showed that only twice did it make any difference to the outcome (2010 was disputed, because it showed Cameron would have had a majority, as opposed to a coalition, but the outcome - a Tory PM with carte blanche - was the same regardless). 

Let the cards fall as they may, but we should remember that, if independence is rejected a second time, Scotland will never again be able to complain about anything the British state and its establishment do in our name. Whether it be perpetual Tory government we never vote for, illegal wars, casino economics, etc. etc. we will have had ample chances to take another path and basically shat it both times. 

On 4/29/2022 at 5:18 AM, CCB III said:

Long and short of it. 
 

I do still think there are some naive cunts who are genuinely trying to do good, but can't in our electoral system. They make up about 1%. 
 

Scottish people are naturally subservient and I've never been surer that we won't be an independent nation. 

I don't think it will happen either, because the establishment will do everything it can to preserve the status quo (conversely, they won't fight anywhere near as hard to keep NI in the UK. In fact, many bean counters in Whitehall probably relish the prospect of getting that perpetual drain on the Treasury off their wage bill) and I don't think the Scots have enough fight in them to withstand this. Additionally, some are just too happy in their material comforts of cheap booze, reality TV and soap operas and can't be arsed making any effort to improve their lot.

[Jigsaw666]

On 4/29/2022 at 5:18 AM, CCB III said:

Long and short of it. 
 

I do still think there are some naive cunts who are genuinely trying to do good, but can't in our electoral system. They make up about 1%. 
 

Scottish people are naturally subservient and I've never been surer that we won't be an independent nation. 

I think there's almost a common misperception that winning an independence election is the end of the battle. It is not, it is merely the beginning of the real battle. Oil revenues, fishing waters and the like will have to be fought for long and hard before a UK government will give anything up. Should be fun ?.

Sadly I agree though, too many submissives in this country to win the vote.

[Jocky Balboa]

On 4/30/2022 at 4:14 PM, Jigsaw666 said:

I think there's almost a common misperception that winning an independence election is the end of the battle. It is not, it is merely the beginning of the real battle. Oil revenues, fishing waters and the like will have to be fought for long and hard before a UK government will give anything up. Should be fun ?.

Sadly I agree though, too many submissives in this country to win the vote.

What does it say about Scotland's timid nature, that NI - until recent years the most devout region, outside SE England - will likely leave the UK within a decade? If they see the writing on the wall for this antiquated system, what's Scotland's excuse?

I've no time for the pseudo-Marxist Sinn Fein, or their IRA connections, but at least they refuse to take their seats in the WM shitshow and put up some semblance of (political) fight, unlike the subservient careerist chancers of the SNP. That is why the former will achieve their goal and the latter have destroyed Scotland's aspirations for years to come, despite a perfect storm and countless open goals. Weak.

[Jigsaw666]

2 hours ago, Jocky Balboa said:

What does it say about Scotland's timid nature, that NI - until recent years the most devout region, outside SE England - will likely leave the UK within a decade? If they see the writing on the wall for this antiquated system, what's Scotland's excuse?

I've no time for the pseudo-Marxist Sinn Fein, or their IRA connections, but at least they refuse to take their seats in the WM shitshow and put up some semblance of (political) fight, unlike the subservient careerist chancers of the SNP. That is why the former will achieve their goal and the latter have destroyed Scotland's aspirations for years to come, despite a perfect storm and countless open goals. Weak.

I honestly think our ship has sailed, in my lifetime at least. When we had the referendum, just in the last few days of the run up there was a bit of a feeling in the air that something just might happen. Being realistic, I just don't feel that at this time. I don't detect a real groundswell of hope or anticipation or even any desire to hold a vote. It would be a catastrophic error for SNP to hold another vote any time soon. They would lose and lose well. You'd need Johnson and his cohorts to come up with a poll tax type policy to build the resentment towards the scummy tories before there's any chance of winning.

[sigh]

37 minutes ago, Bad_Mobby said:

And the worst thing is

You can’t fuck off and bide anywhere in to the EU (apart from Ireland) anymore because the guffs fucked yous over with that too 

 

Being taken out of the EU is one of the greatest losses - if we do get independence then hopefully back into EU - and while we're at it, lets change currency an aw  - all EU countries managed it, how come it would be such a big deal to an independent Scotland?

[CCB III]

1 hour ago, Bad_Mobby said:

And the worst thing is

You can’t fuck off and bide anywhere in to the EU (apart from Ireland) anymore because the guffs fucked yous over with that too 

 

? aye. 

 

God, I fucking hate this country.

[CCB III]

2 hours ago, Captain Caveman said:

Corrrect, sadly we have always been a nation of cowards willing to accept scraps. 
 

no point blaming politicians because our people are shit

Too many huns Cavey, the long and short of it.

[cheesepipes]

22 minutes ago, CCB III said:

? aye. 

 

God, I fucking hate this country.

Have some comfort that you would hate every other country aswell. 

[Bluto10]

politics - lol

[BrianFaePerth]

58 minutes ago, CCB III said:

? aye. 

 

God, I fucking hate this country.

Not at much as it hates you 

[jamiesd]

Let’s become independent then join the EU and then not be independent.  Lol

[The Boofon]

Moray and Aberdeenshire returning more Tory councillors than last set of elections.

 

No fool like an old farmer fool.

[jamiesd]

Just now, The Boofon said:

Moray and Aberdeenshire returning more Tory councillors than last set of elections.

 

No fool like an old farmer fool.

Nae surprise

[Jigsaw666]

4 minutes ago, Bad_Mobby said:

….and be able to live in 27 other countries 

Can stand in the European line at the airport and wave to the English folk standing beside the darkies.

[caledonia]

32 minutes ago, jamiesd said:

Let’s become independent then join the EU and then not be independent.  Lol

England - lets take back our borders except the one with Scotland we need their oil, electricity and water.