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Scottish Independence Referendum 2

Should Scotland be an independent country?  

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  1. 1. Should Scotland be an independent country?

    • Yes
      178
    • No
      64


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10 minutes ago, Bad_Mobby said:

Pics? 

No they're Basques.

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22 minutes ago, CCB III said:

How do you know they didn't? 
 

Pb made a good point, we don't know.

In any case, the amount of seats won= mandate.

Mandate innit

 

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1 hour ago, CCB III said:

If a political party is voted into power for over a decade, in the parliamentary systems used, they have a fuckin mandate. That's indisputable. Simply put. 

 

It's a mandate if it's the UK gov, so it's a mandate if it's the Scottish government. 
 

I don't see any unionist parties asking for reform? Why do you think that is? 
 

How can you criticise ScotGov as a non functioning democracy, but hope that Scotland stays in the UK, where our democratic interests are categorically not represented? Like it's not even up for debate, it's less democratic for Scotland to be in the UK, than it would be to leave. 
 

It's like you're not living in the same country as the rest of us. 

 

 

Let's start with the assumption of my voting intention.

You've made one.

Honestly, it's akin to trying to punch fog talking to you, it's like you wilfully ignore what's said and make up your own reality.

Let's clarify

You said the mandate was undisputable.

I showed how it could be disputed.

You said the majority of Scots voted for pro Indy parties

They demonstrably didn't.

You said well having a parliamentary majority is the same thing.

It's not.

I have a couple of questions for you:

If a party gets elected with a manifesto and over the course of the parliamentary term do not deliver every election promise contained within it, can I sue for breach of contract?

Can you tell me the last time an snp msp voted against the Scottish government in parliament?

 

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6 minutes ago, Beachend Bootboy said:

Pow.  Every time.

No chance you can claim that.

You made a cunt of it.

Apologise and we move on.

This thread has turned nuts. I'm out. B99 and bed. Sorted. Living the life.

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5 minutes ago, patrick bateman said:

Let's start with the assumption of my voting intention.

You've made one.

Honestly, it's akin to trying to punch fog talking to you, it's like you wilfully ignore what's said and make up your own reality.

Let's clarify

You said the mandate was undisputable.

I showed how it could be disputed.

You said the majority of Scots voted for pro Indy parties

They demonstrably didn't.

You said well having a parliamentary majority is the same thing.

It's not.

I have a couple of questions for you:

If a party gets elected with a manifesto and over the course of the parliamentary term do not deliver every election promise contained within it, can I sue for breach of contract?

Can you tell me the last time an snp msp voted against the Scottish government in parliament?

 

1.) where have I assumed your voting intention? It's pretty clear you're going to vote no, tbf. 
 

2.) IMO the mandate can't be disputed. You can dispute everything, if you wanted. There are people that think the Earth is flat. You'd be as well saying "we can't say anything ever is for certain" which is fair enough. Just say that, tho. 
 

3.) Yeah. Was speaking shite there. 
 

4.) If not getting the majority of voters works for WM for their mandates, can work the same for Scotland. 
 

5.) No, you can't sue, but that doesn't change the face they are entitled to press ahead with what they promised, whether or not you like it. 
 

When was the last time Scotland voted for a Tory PM?

 

When exactly did Scotland vote to leave the EU? Despite being told countless times that it would happen with Indy. Who can we sue for that? 
 


 

 

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4 minutes ago, Roberto said:

No chance you can claim that.

You made a cunt of it.

Apologise and we move on.

This thread has turned nuts. I'm out. B99 and bed. Sorted. Living the life.

It was a fuckin' typo.  Big fuckin' deal.  That's all he has, jumpin' on trivial shite like that.  Nothin' a straight fingers to the throat wouldn't quickly sort as my dad once said to me.

Apologise? 🤣🤣 Never apologise?  It's a sign of weakness don't yeh ken?

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5 minutes ago, CCB III said:

1.) where have I assumed your voting intention? It's pretty clear you're going to vote no, tbf. 
 

2.) IMO the mandate can't be disputed. You can dispute everything, if you wanted. There are people that think the Earth is flat. You'd be as well saying "we can't say anything ever is for certain" which is fair enough. Just say that, tho. 
 

3.) Yeah. Was speaking shite there. 
 

4.) If not getting the majority of voters works for WM for their mandates, can work the same for Scotland. 
 

5.) No, you can't sue, but that doesn't change the face they are entitled to press ahead with what they promised, whether or not you like it. 
 

When was the last time Scotland voted for a Tory PM?

 

When exactly did Scotland vote to leave the EU? Despite being told countless times that it would happen with Indy. Who can we sue for that? 
 


 

 

Did you mean fact per chance?

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1 minute ago, Beachend Bootboy said:

Did you mean fact per chance?

😂

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31 minutes ago, CCB III said:

I was talking shite there. 

This is a recurring theme with you. How many times have you apologised for talking pish in the last few days?

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3 minutes ago, maryhilldon said:

This is a recurring theme with you. How many times have you apologised for talking pish in the last few days?

Boom 😂

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11 minutes ago, maryhilldon said:

This is a recurring theme with you. How many times have you apologised for talking pish in the last few days?

At least I apologise for it. 
 

I think twice.

 

Difficult to keep up and articulate accurately when there's about 7 folk coming at you. I'm happy to correct my mistakes when and where I make them. 
 

Im only human, after all

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8 minutes ago, NEM said:

Boom 😂

"I don't need the other side of it."

 

That should genuinely make any opinion you have on here null and void. 
 

Youre admitting you reach conclusions about things without truly considering both sides. 
 

That's a madness fam

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Just now, CCB III said:

"I don't need the other side of it."

 

That should genuinely make any opinion you have on here null and void. 
 

Youre admitting you reach conclusions about things without truly considering both sides. 
 

That's a madness fam

You’d know all about that. 
 

We’ve already been through this several times you boring cunt, I don’t need to listen to the other side when it’s demonstrable nonsense.

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3 minutes ago, CCB III said:

 

Difficult to keep up and articulate accurately when there's about 7 folk coming at you. 

You love it really, that's why you keep coming back.

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1 minute ago, maryhilldon said:

You love it really, that's why you keep coming back.

Sure does pass the time. 
 

Unless you've any good telly I can watch?

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5 minutes ago, NEM said:

You’d know all about that. 
 

We’ve already been through this several times you boring cunt, I don’t need to listen to the other side when it’s demonstrable nonsense.

Is it demonstrable though?

 

Like I say, many people far more qualified than you on the topic of sex/gender wouldn't say so. 
 

In fact we're only just starting to understand it more and more now. 
 

Unless of course, you're saying you know more than these people who study it for a living? 
 

When did you get your doctorate? 

"Science> feelings"

 

Is an interesting quip, because it's actually thanks to "science" that people are able to transition, take hormones, blockers whatever. 
 

So actually science 😍 feelings 

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3 minutes ago, CCB III said:

Is it demonstrable though?

 

Like I say, many people far more qualified than you on the topic of sex/gender wouldn't say so. 
 

In fact we're only just starting to understand it more and more now. 
 

Unless of course, you're saying you know more than these people who study it for a living? 
 

When did you get your doctorate? 

"Science> feelings"

 

Is an interesting quip, because it's actually thanks to "science" that people are able to transition, take hormones, blockers whatever. 
 

So actually science 😍 feelings 

A tiny minority of “experts” most likely with an agenda (who can’t answer what a woman is) may disagree with me, their opinion doesn’t hold over the vast majority who can see the emperors new clothes bullshit for what it is.

 

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6 minutes ago, CCB III said:

Sure does pass the time. 
 

Unless you've any good telly I can watch?

To be fair, the wifey’s tennis pretty decent right now. People can multi task. 

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6 minutes ago, NEM said:

A tiny minority of “experts” most likely with an agenda may disagree with me, their opinion doesn’t hold over the vast majority who can see the emperors new clothes bullshit for what it is.

These folks were your fuckin bread and butter throughout the pandemic, bro! You rejected the mainstream information regarding COVID/Vaccinations, given to us by experts, who you said had an agenda 🤣
 

Jesus fkin Christ. 
 

If Carlsberg did irony. 
 

Science is constantly evolving. Our understanding of humanity is always evolving. 
 

Isn't it great you get to have your opinion? I get to have mine? And people get to live their lives how they want? 
 

 

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7 minutes ago, CCB III said:

These folks were your fuckin bread and butter throughout the pandemic, bro! You rejected the mainstream information regarding COVID/Vaccinations, given to us by experts, who you said had an agenda 🤣
 

Jesus fkin Christ. 
 

If Carlsberg did irony. 
 

Science is constantly evolving. Our understanding of humanity is always evolving. 
 

Isn't it great you get to have your opinion? I get to have mine? And people get to live their lives how they want? 
 

 

Aye how did the covid vaccine work out? Doesn’t stop you catching it, passing it on, getting ill or dying and lasts about 5 mins before you require a top up. Doesn’t look like they were too far off the mark.

 

Your opinion changes every 5 mins, you were arguing against yourself within half a dozen posts on the other topic ffs 😂

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16 minutes ago, NEM said:

Aye how did the covid vaccine work out? Doesn’t stop you catching it, passing it on, getting ill or dying and lasts about 5 mins before you require a top up. Doesn’t look like they were too far off the mark.

 

Your opinion changes every 5 mins, you were arguing against yourself within half a dozen posts on the other topic ffs 😂

🤣 so you're saying "fringe" scientists can be right? Interesting. 
 

My opinion hasn't changed on fuck all. 
 

I get dragged into silly little side arguments, makes it harder to keep a solid train of thought and there's an inevitable mistype.  
 

I'll stick to the big guns from now on. 
 

 

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33 minutes ago, CCB III said:

When did you get your doctorate? 

I've got one, and unfortunately it doesn't make me all knowing. I wouldn't automatically defer to someone just cos they've spent a long time at uni.

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2 minutes ago, CCB III said:

🤣 so you're saying "fringe" scientists can be right? Interesting. 
 

My opinion hasn't changed on fuck all. 
 

I get dragged into silly little side arguments, makes it harder to keep a solid train of thought and there's an inevitable mistype.  
 

I'll stick to the big guns from now on. 
 

 

You changed your opinion on blokes pretending to be birds being allowed to compete in woman’s sport in the space of about 5 mins.

Yes you do that or claim you were fishing all along, another one of your made a cunt of it get outs.

Night night I’m off to bed 

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3 minutes ago, Ramandu said:

I've got one, and unfortunately it doesn't make me all knowing. I wouldn't automatically defer to someone just cos they've spent a long time at uni.

No, nor would I. 
 

But I would refer to people have specific degrees in the topics being discussed, and study the topics for a living. 

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1 minute ago, NEM said:

You changed your opinion on blokes pretending to be birds being allowed to compete in woman’s sport in the space of about 5 mins.

Yes you do that or claim you were fishing all along, another one of your made a cunt of it get outs.

Night night I’m off to bed 

No I didn't, at all, actually. 
 

If you read it thoroughly, which granted I don't always do, you'd see that my position on that didn't change. 
 

 

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The English based Supreme Court (uk) will never back the Scots

But english law/rules/press and media no matter what they say/spin wont matter a jot

All the so called big guns ie biased politicians and professors will be handed a platform to say Scotland needs Westminster approval wont matter either this will end up in the United Nations but it will never be before 2023.

 

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Hopefully if we go independant we avoid the EU because then that would not be independant.  Fucked being dictated by those unelected fannies.  Come on Scotland fuck them and fuck Westminster.

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