Scottish Independence Referendum 2

[caledonia]

5 minutes ago, milne_afc said:

Delete this monstrosity 

@patrick bateman Talks shit and thinks he knows it all but that is going a bit far.

[Joe pike]

3 hours ago, muttonhumper said:

Why would you go on foreign holidays when you hate foreigners?
That's just gypit.

Are you English?

You nuts.

Where did i say I hate foreigners?

[Joe pike]

2 hours ago, Redforever86 said:

I don’t think they know what they want. At the time of the last referendum the greens were still ok with oil use for plastics etc. 

 

Id take it out the ground personally but it’s still there as an asset wether it is used or not. 

You keep quoting oil and gas.

Sturgeon and her green loony mates have promised to end any production or exploration.

[Simply Red]

6 minutes ago, Joe pike said:

You keep quoting oil and gas.

Sturgeon and her green loony mates have promised to end any production or exploration.

No they havent. 
 

SNP website;

[Joe pike]

6 minutes ago, Simply Red said:

No they havent. 
 

SNP website;

Unless somebody had a hand up Sturgeons arse I saw her spouting  on about how the Cambo field should be abandoned and any future exploration stopped immediately.

She would be beaten up by Harvie if she changed that policy.

 

[Joe pike]

14 minutes ago, Simply Red said:

No they havent. 
 

SNP website;

I think you are quoting the SNP policy before they sold themselves to the Greens and changed track.

 

[CCB III]

29 minutes ago, Joe pike said:

You keep quoting oil and gas.

Sturgeon and her green loony mates have promised to end any production or exploration.

Sturgeon. Probably. Wouldn't. Be. The. Leader. Of. Scotland. In. An. Independent. Scotland. 
 

How many times do folk have to say it? A vote for Independence isn't a vote for the SNP. 

[For Fecks Sake]

48 minutes ago, caledonia said:

Lets be honest absolutely not one of the rabid posters on this thread including my self are going to change their minds on here.

We are just wasting days arguing about stuff most of us dont know and are just repeating from elsewhere whether it true or not.

Memes are the way to go as they are quick and others have to debunk them ?

Something (other than independence) that we both agree upon with the exception of the last sentence obviously.

[For Fecks Sake]

Nicola Sturgeon did say the CAMBO field should not get the go-ahead on the basis of the potential climate impact. 

In this article she does state that "I don't think we can go on extracting oil and gas forever, and I don't think we can continue to give the go ahead to new oil fields." So not a firm veto of oil and gas production in itself and she is not stupid and knows how many jobs and income is generated by this industry.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-59312510

[Joe pike]

Ms Sturgeon told delegates the reliance of “tens of thousands of jobs” on the sector was not an excuse to avoid climate action.

This was followed up weeks later when the first minister finally confirmed her opposition to the controversial Cambo oilfield scheme, and argued the country cannot “go on extracting new oil and gas forever”.

^^^^^^
This was Sturgeon mouthing off to Cop26

[Joe pike]

23 minutes ago, CCB III said:

Sturgeon. Probably. Wouldn't. Be. The. Leader. Of. Scotland. In. An. Independent. Scotland. 
 

How many times do folk have to say it? A vote for Independence isn't a vote for the SNP. 

Who has confirmed this or are you just making things up again.

[Beachend Bootboy]

1 minute ago, Joe pike said:

Who has confirmed this or are you just making things up again.

He makes up shite all the time.  She's such a fuckin megalomaniac bitch she won't give up power easily.  Fuckin deviant.

[Dons79]

1 minute ago, Joe pike said:

Who has confirmed this or are you just making things up again.

It’s her raison dentre to secure independence, it’s in the party name, once achieved what’s left for her or her party to fight on for?, she would have won, only time her party would be relevant again if we were to be dragged back in the union!. Otherwise she is finished and would lead to parties being strictly Scottish parties with Scottish policies only, not branches of Westminster, get independence, snp fails to be relevant anymore.clean slate democratically 

[Beachend Bootboy]

1 minute ago, Dons79 said:

It’s her raison dentre to secure independence, it’s in the party name, once achieved what’s left for her or her party to fight on for?, she would have won, only time her party would be relevant again if we were to be dragged back in the union!. Otherwise she is finished and would lead to parties being strictly Scottish parties with Scottish policies only, not branches of Westminster, get independence, snp fails to be relevant anymore.clean slate democratically 

Aye, watch this space. Then again maybe not as it'll never happen any time soon.

[Edwin Starr]

Regards oil and gas the Westminster government has been blowing our resources for decades .

And will continue to do so for the foreseeable future .

And unionists will allow it without a care in the world .

The McCrone report is worth a read , that report was hidden for decades from the Scottish people .

 

Whatever that lot do over the border the yoomdums  won't care , they will turn their attention to Queen Nicola but it's a fight they are about to lose .

 

Thank fk for that .

 

[Joe pike]

1 minute ago, Edwin Starr said:

Regards oil and gas the Westminster government has been blowing our resources for decades .

And will continue to do so for the foreseeable future .

And unionists will allow it without a care in the world .

The McCrone report is worth a read , that report was hidden for decades from the Scottish people .I

 

Whatever that lot so over the border the yoomdums  won't care , they will turn their attention to Queen Nicola but it's a fight they are about to lose .

 

Thank fk for that .

 

So what do you think Edwin?
Stop all oil and gas production and exploration?

[Edwin Starr]

8 minutes ago, Joe pike said:

So what do you think Edwin?
Stop all oil and gas production and exploration?

No that's not how it works .

It's a gradual change from planet killing energy to a more earth friendly environment where we can save many species world wide and millions of people .

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/19/planet-pursuit-profit-oil-companies-damage

[CCB III]

24 minutes ago, Joe pike said:

Who has confirmed this or are you just making things up again.

Jesus christ

[CCB III]

25 minutes ago, Joe pike said:

Who has confirmed this or are you just making things up again.

In the event of an independent Scotland, there would probably be an election not long after the process of leaving was finished. 
 

This is the norm for independence parties. 
 

 

[CCB III]

37 minutes ago, Joe pike said:

Ms Sturgeon told delegates the reliance of “tens of thousands of jobs” on the sector was not an excuse to avoid climate action.

This was followed up weeks later when the first minister finally confirmed her opposition to the controversial Cambo oilfield scheme, and argued the country cannot “go on extracting new oil and gas forever”.

^^^^^^
This was Sturgeon mouthing off to Cop26

And there'll be someone who argues against that. 

And they'll run for election. 
 

The point is, you'll have a say still. More of a say than you do now. 

[Beachend Bootboy]

4 minutes ago, CCB III said:

Jesus christ

Praise be to our Lord and Saviour.

[Edwin Starr]

4 minutes ago, CCB III said:

In the event of an independent Scotland, there would probably be an election not long after the process of leaving was finished. 
 

This is the norm for independence parties. 
 

 

The yoons just can't grasp this .

[Joe pike]

7 minutes ago, CCB III said:

Jesus christ

When did he confirm it

[Joe pike]

8 minutes ago, CCB III said:

In the event of an independent Scotland, there would probably be an election not long after the process of leaving was finished. 
 

This is the norm for independence parties. 
 

 

Ha ha “probably”

What if the SNP win the probable election ?

 

[CCB III]

Are the unionists on here deliberately missing the point re party politics to be obtuse, or can they just not grasp the the political landscape and capability totally changes upon a successful independence result? 
 

We're arguing the merits of Scotlands independence, not what you think of the SNP

[Joe pike]

1 minute ago, CCB III said:

Are the unionists on here deliberately missing the point re party politics to be obtuse, or can they just not grasp the the political landscape and capability totally changes upon a successful independence result? 
 

We're arguing the merits of Scotlands independence, not what you think of the SNP

Do you think the SNP would magically disappear ?
Too many noses in the trough for that to happen.

[Beachend Bootboy]

4 minutes ago, Joe pike said:

Do you think the SNP would magically disappear ?
Too many noses in the trough for that to happen.

Correct.  The gravy train has many carriages and very few stations for those onboard to get off.

[The Buzzard]

2 minutes ago, CCB III said:

Are the unionists on here deliberately missing the point re party politics to be obtuse, or can they just not grasp the the political landscape and capability totally changes upon a successful independence result? 
 

We're arguing the merits of Scotlands independence, not what you think of the SNP

I'm not getting involved in all the union or independence debate  but I do think it wouldn't be unimaginable that the first election after Scotland became independent, if it happens, wouldn't be contested by the parties we have just now as well as other newer ones that might form. 
I agree that in time the SNP and what it stands for just now will not be required but I think that'll all develop further down the line. 
That being the case, if there was a legal referendum and we became independent, I wouldn't be surprised to see the SNP win our first general election and Sturgeon being the first First Minister of the country. It'll depend on whether she wants to keep going and has the stamina for it all. 

[caledonia]

7 minutes ago, CCB III said:

Are the unionists on here deliberately missing the point re party politics to be obtuse, or can they just not grasp the the political landscape and capability totally changes upon a successful independence result? 
 

We're arguing the merits of Scotlands independence, not what you think of the SNP

Pike is obsessed with Sturgeon and the SNP 

[CCB III]

14 minutes ago, Joe pike said:

Ha ha “probably”

What if the SNP win the probable election ?

 

I say probably because there's a chance she gets voted in again...

 

We don't know.