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11 hours ago, Crashnyploshnit said:

They're not "vaccine passports," they're movement licenses. It's not a vaccine, it's experimental gene therapy. "Lockdown" is at best completely pointless universal medical isolation and at worst ubiquitous public incarceration.

Call things what they are, not their euphemisms.

check out south australia.
more orwellian by the day.
id just like to add, whats to stop china doing this again and again.
https://www.itnews.com.au/news/sa-govt-trials-home-quarantine-app-with-facial-recognition-gps-tracking-568979
 

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3 hours ago, red kelly said:

check out south australia.
more orwellian by the day.
id just like to add, whats to stop china doing this again and again.
https://www.itnews.com.au/news/sa-govt-trials-home-quarantine-app-with-facial-recognition-gps-tracking-568979
 

That’s exactly what I’m getting at. The so called passport Ian’s lockdowns are a control mechanism. Too many are just accepting that their governments are doing the right thing and not questioning the bigger picture.

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Just out of interest have you ever read about the spanish flu our last worldwide pandemic?

They used lockdowns , enforced quarantine, even sprayed the streets with disinfectent, the close areas of high close population like cinemas there are more similarities with how we hadnled spanish flu than differences. The second wave killed more than the first.

So many worries about the long term impact of covid limitations. yet the last time we did anything similar it lasted the 4 years that spanish flu and most other pandemics lasted.

 

A cartoon/poster of the time said "dont talk to anyone, dont go near anyone and you are safe" No doubt. But is that not a little difficult". The pictures on the cartoon include a picture advising "avoid crowded streets" "dont go on trains or buses - in fact walk" "dont get tired" "dont speak to anyone who has signs  of a cold" "dont take a taxi" and "Notice to aircraft dont come near"

That cartoon could have been produced today  the advice lasted months and then disappeared as will this      

Its not like we have never seen this before - and none of the limitations lasted and they were convinced that this was all a government plot in fact swap chinese for spanish and we are spot on 

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35 minutes ago, maryhilldon said:

I watched a docu about the Spanish flu, it was only about 1 year from start to finish. 

maybe in europe it started early 1918 probably 1917 and New York had an outbreak in mid 1920 there were other outbreaks of other diseases in the 1920s that could directly and indirectly traced to the spanish flu

oh Rosie and JIm - love em often narrow boat holiday - as does son - gives me chance to read and formulate my own opinions

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20 minutes ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

Spanish flu was also a much more deadly virus than Covid-19, so I'd suggest theres not really parallels to be made in many regards. 
 

 

so ok lets go with this - a lot more deadly required stricter more harsher conditions than we face that required more impact on our liberties controlling the populace harder than we are. Emerging from a war and easier to control than this internet linked society and yet all controls just disappeared .

 

even arguements against arguements are so full of holes that a chees maker would be impressed 

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56 minutes ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

Spanish flu was also a much more deadly virus than Covid-19, so I'd suggest theres not really parallels to be made in many regards.

There's one discernible difference that you're all missing when comparing the Spanish Flu and Covid. Spanish flu was actually real. Not a man made virus from a lab in China, designed years in advance of it's release with multiple Government plans of how it was going to be rolled out.

If not for social media, the internet and 24 hour news channels, coupled with testing everyone to within an inch of their life, no one would know Covid was even a 'thing'.

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1 hour ago, maryhilldon said:

I watched a docu about the Spanish flu, it was only about 1 year from start to finish. 

 

1 hour ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

Spanish flu was also a much more deadly virus than Covid-19, so I'd suggest theres not really parallels to be made in many regards. 
 

 


 

 

Brief historical overview of 1918 Spanish influenza

The 1918 Spanish influenza is caused by an H1N1 influenza A virus postulated to be of avian origin.2 The 1918 Spanish influenza lasted from 1918 to 1920 and consisted of four waves. The first wave lasted approximately from 15 February 1918 to 1 June 1918; the second lasted approximately from 1 August 1918 to 2 December 1918; the third lasted approximately from 3 December 1918 to 30 April 1919; and the fourth wave lasted approximately from 1 December 1919 to 30 April 1920.3 It infected about 500 million people, roughly one-third of the world’s population at that time, and resulted in the deaths of 50 million, including 675 000 Americans.2The first public news of the epidemic appeared in Madrid on 22 May 1918 in Madrid’s ABC newspaper; hence, it became known as the Spanish influenza.4 However, there is no definite evidence of origination, and most epidemiologists and virologists believe that the virus originated in either the USA or France.4 A week later on 28 May 1918, King Alfonso XIII, the Prime Minister and some cabinet members became ill.4As the influenza spread, basic services such as the postal service, telegraph services and some banks were forced to temporarily close operations.4

Comparison between COVID-19 and 1918 influenza

First, the patient population differs. While the 1918 influenza killed a disproportionate number of 25–40 year olds, COVID-19 mostly affects those over the age of 65, especially those also with comorbidities.2 5 In particular, the mortality rate for the influenza rose to 8%–10% for younger people compared with a 2.5% overall mortality whereas the mortality rate for the 25–40-year-old age range is a mere 0.2% in contrast to the 2.4% overall mortality rate.2 5 Those aged 25–40 year olds accounted for 40% of deaths from the 1918 influenza, whereas those in the 18–44-year-old range account for only 3.9% of deaths from COVID-19.2 5 More countries were spared in the 1918 pandemic, whereas only the smaller Pacific Islands (Soloman Islands and Vanuata) remain COVID-19 free.2 6 The mortality rate for pregnant women with the Spanish influenza was 23%–37% and 26% of those who survived but lost their child, whereas the mortality rate of pregnant women with COVID-19 is unknown.2 7The Spanish influenza resulted in acute illness in 25%–30% of the world population, with over 50 million deaths, whereas COVID-19 has infected nearly 55 million to date, with 1.3 million deaths.2 5 In the USA alone, COVID-19 cases are at over 11 million as of 16 November 2020, which is nearly a 40% increase from the month prior.5

Second, the two diseases kill via different mechanisms. While those with the influenza died of secondary bacterial pneumonia, those with COVID-19 died from an overactive immune response that resulted in multiple organ failure.2 8 Acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) can develop in both cases.2 8 As a complication from the influenza, ARDS had an 100% fatality rate compared with a 53.4% mortality rate as a complication from COVID-19.2 9

The projected economic impact of COVID-19 on the US economy is a $5.76–$6.17 trillion decrease in gross domestic product (GDP), based on Fitch Ratings and the US GDP according to the World Bank. The economic data during the 1918 pandemic is scarce, but it was noted that Mexico suffered a $9 billion loss.2

Diagnoses, treatments and vaccines were delayed in both cases. States developed different COVID-19 diagnostic tests, since the initial one by Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) could not be confirmed. Currently, there are no COVID-19 treatments approved by the Food and Drug Administration, but antivirals like remdesivir, antibody and interleukin 33 blockers are currently under investigation. Vaccines are also in development. In 1918, bleeding was initially used as treatment, since such minimal progress had been made against pneumonia that even renowned William Osler still recommended it to relieve symptoms.2 In 1917, Dr Rufus Cole, Dr Oswald Avery and Dr Alphonse Dochez, with help from six other Rockefeller researchers, developed and tested a vaccination to prevent pneumonia caused by types I, II and III pneumococci. In March 1918, this vaccine was given to 12 000 troops on Long Island, with no vaccinated solder developing pneumonia from those strains. In contrast, 101 out of 19 000 soldiers serving as controls, developed pneumonia from those strains.2

Yet, since neither an influenza vaccine nor antibiotics to treat associated secondary bacterial infections were available, worldwide containment efforts relied heavily on isolation and quarantine similar to the current efforts against COVID-19.2

In terms of duration and origination, there is controversy over the origination of both viruses, and both consist of multiple waves. The 1918 influenza lasted 25 months, and may have originated in Spain, France or the USA with no definite evidence of origination.3 4 The first wave lasted approximately from 15 February 1918 to 1 June 1918 and the fourth and final wave lasted approximately from 1 December 1919 to 30 April 1920.3 COVID-19 originated in Wuhan China on 31 December 2019, with controversy over whether it originated in a wet market or at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Unlike in 1918, DNA sequencing of COVID-19 can predict whether infected individuals will be symptomatic or asymptomatic, based on a single base change (11 083G>T).10

Conclusions

Both the COVID-19 and 1918 influenza pandemic similarly caused significant negative impacts on the global economy, affecting international relations and had considerable delay in its diagnosis, treatment and vaccines. The pandemics largely differed in the highest risk population and the mechanism of death. The 1918 influenza affected less than half of the countries and the most vulnerable groups are healthy adults between the ages of 25 years and 40 years, while COVID-19 has affected nearly all countries and the most vulnerable group are adults above 65 years of age with comorbidities. Victims of the 1918 influenza mostly died from secondary bacterial pneumonia, while victims of COVID-19 mostly died from an overactive immune response resulting in organ failure. The key major differences between the pandemics are highlighted in table 1.

Table 1

Summary of major differences: COVID-19 versus 1918 influenza

 
  COVID-19 1918 influenza
Viral aetiology SARS-CoV-2 H1N1 influenza A virus
Mortality rate 2.40% 2.50%
Number of deaths 2.2 million 50 million
Highest risk population 65+ with comorbidities 25–40 year olds
Cause of death Overactive immune system leading to end organ failure Secondary bacterial infection
Place of origin Wuhan (either in a wet market or Wuhan Institute of Virology) Haskell County, Kansas
Virus type Coronavirus Orthomyxoviridae
Economic impact $5.76 trillion–$6.17 trillion decrease in Gross Domestic Product (GDP) Minimal economic data, Mexico suffered a $9 billion loss
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13 hours ago, Bamber said:

Just out of interest have you ever read about the spanish flu our last worldwide pandemic?

They used lockdowns , enforced quarantine, even sprayed the streets with disinfectent, the close areas of high close population like cinemas there are more similarities with how we hadnled spanish flu than differences. The second wave killed more than the first.

So many worries about the long term impact of covid limitations. yet the last time we did anything similar it lasted the 4 years that spanish flu and most other pandemics lasted.

 

A cartoon/poster of the time said "dont talk to anyone, dont go near anyone and you are safe" No doubt. But is that not a little difficult". The pictures on the cartoon include a picture advising "avoid crowded streets" "dont go on trains or buses - in fact walk" "dont get tired" "dont speak to anyone who has signs  of a cold" "dont take a taxi" and "Notice to aircraft dont come near"

That cartoon could have been produced today  the advice lasted months and then disappeared as will this      

Its not like we have never seen this before - and none of the limitations lasted and they were convinced that this was all a government plot in fact swap chinese for spanish and we are spot on 

Holy fuck.

How old ARE you??? 

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14 hours ago, Tinyweelad said:

There's one discernible difference that you're all missing when comparing the Spanish Flu and Covid. Spanish flu was actually real. Not a man made virus from a lab in China, designed years in advance of it's release with multiple Government plans of how it was going to be rolled out.

If not for social media, the internet and 24 hour news channels, coupled with testing everyone to within an inch of their life, no one would know Covid was even a 'thing'.

I've come to the conclusion you're on the wind up! A parody account. Nobody can be gullible enough or stupid enough to believe some of the inane ramblings you come out with. You come across as the type that believes the earth is flat, we never went to the moon, 9/11 was an inside job, reptilian aliens have taken on human form and are manipulating the planet. It's hilarious!!

Seriously, take a deep breath, remove the tin foil hat, go outside and get some fresh air.... maybe you'll realise that not everybody is out to get you and not everythign is trying to harm you.

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17 hours ago, Tinyweelad said:

There's one discernible difference that you're all missing when comparing the Spanish Flu and Covid. Spanish flu was actually real. Not a man made virus from a lab in China, designed years in advance of it's release with multiple Government plans of how it was going to be rolled out.

If not for social media, the internet and 24 hour news channels, coupled with testing everyone to within an inch of their life, no one would know Covid was even a 'thing'.

I will bite...

Please share the evidence that you have with regards to the bit in bold.

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Covid-19 vaccine decliners are largely painted in media, both traditional and social, as purposefully ignorant, brainwashed by anti-science conspiracy theorists. Such a broad branding doesn’t explain the reticence of a former Pfizer executive, or a cardiologist and internist who’s authored hundreds of published papers, or thousands of doctors and nurses who’ve been on the front line of the fight against Covid for eighteen months and have seen up close the devastation it can cause.

Real reasons abound: a mistrust borne of witnessing Anthony Fauci and then-Surgeon General Jerome Adams change their positions on television; a recognition that evidence for long-term efficacy is weak and may be decreasing; moral objection to drug therapy developed using cell lines from electively aborted fetuses; a personal evaluation of risks and benefits of vaccine versus Covid based on ageand health. Even so, the validity of the reason doesn’t matter. Patient autonomy is to be respected without exception. To do otherwise means to fundamentally change the relationship between patient and physician.

For physicians, nurses, and everyone involved in delivering medical care, what must be done is simple: treat the patient. Treat the vasculopath getting his sixth bypass and still smoking two packs a day. Treat the chronic pain patient who weighs three times what her skeleton was designed to support. Treat the gangbanger who broke his wrist fleeing from police and crashing into a family of five, killing four of them. Treat the drunk with a blood alcohol concentration of .441, back in the ER yet again. Treat the man who shoved a flashlight so far up his colon that he has to have an operation to remove it. Treat them all with the same excellent care the medical professionals provides to anyone else.

And treat the unvaccinated in the same way they treat the vaccinated.

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1 hour ago, Crashnyploshnit said:

Covid-19 vaccine decliners are largely painted in media, both traditional and social, as purposefully ignorant, brainwashed by anti-science conspiracy theorists. Such a broad branding doesn’t explain the reticence of a former Pfizer executive, or a cardiologist and internist who’s authored hundreds of published papers, or thousands of doctors and nurses who’ve been on the front line of the fight against Covid for eighteen months and have seen up close the devastation it can cause.

Real reasons abound: a mistrust borne of witnessing Anthony Fauci and then-Surgeon General Jerome Adams change their positions on television; a recognition that evidence for long-term efficacy is weak and may be decreasing; moral objection to drug therapy developed using cell lines from electively aborted fetuses; a personal evaluation of risks and benefits of vaccine versus Covid based on ageand health. Even so, the validity of the reason doesn’t matter. Patient autonomy is to be respected without exception. To do otherwise means to fundamentally change the relationship between patient and physician.

For physicians, nurses, and everyone involved in delivering medical care, what must be done is simple: treat the patient. Treat the vasculopath getting his sixth bypass and still smoking two packs a day. Treat the chronic pain patient who weighs three times what her skeleton was designed to support. Treat the gangbanger who broke his wrist fleeing from police and crashing into a family of five, killing four of them. Treat the drunk with a blood alcohol concentration of .441, back in the ER yet again. Treat the man who shoved a flashlight so far up his colon that he has to have an operation to remove it. Treat them all with the same excellent care the medical professionals provides to anyone else.

And treat the unvaccinated in the same way they treat the vaccinated.

 

Fucked up the link there. Here's the full article, make of it what you will.

https://yournews.com/2021/09/09/2216719/as-a-doctor-heres-my-message-to-anyone-who-thinks/

 

 

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6 hours ago, For Fecks Sake said:

I will bite...

Please share the evidence that you have with regards to the bit in bold.

Oh come on now... you really think that the Chinese, USA or UN published the damning evidence that states this? Of course it's not out in the public domain. But there's many, many sources of information on how the US were working on a virus in the US, which then moved to the Wuhan lab, still partly funded by the US, WHO, Gates Foundation etc, and Pfizer was patenting vaccines many moons ago for Covid.
Additionally, Countries such as the US, UK and WHO, were doing studies well in advance, on the likely effects of a pandemic from a coronavirus type flu. 2014 in fact in the UK.
And whistle blowers who saw evidence of PCR testing machines being order up before Batty McBatface made his appearance in a wet market in Wuhan.

Of course, all these stories are made up, Gates, Fauci, all the World Leaders, the WHO, the WEF and many, many more people who tell you what's going on and what to do, are all as straight as a dye, as honest as the day is long, and have never, EVER, told a lie in their lives.

I'm done with this conversation. Today's vote has pretty much rubber stamped the future of society. Good luck with that.

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30 minutes ago, Tinyweelad said:

Oh come on now... you really think that the Chinese, USA or UN published the damning evidence that states this? Of course it's not out in the public domain. But there's many, many sources of information on how the US were working on a virus in the US, which then moved to the Wuhan lab, still partly funded by the US, WHO, Gates Foundation etc, and Pfizer was patenting vaccines many moons ago for Covid.
Additionally, Countries such as the US, UK and WHO, were doing studies well in advance, on the likely effects of a pandemic from a coronavirus type flu. 2014 in fact in the UK.
And whistle blowers who saw evidence of PCR testing machines being order up before Batty McBatface made his appearance in a wet market in Wuhan.

Of course, all these stories are made up, Gates, Fauci, all the World Leaders, the WHO, the WEF and many, many more people who tell you what's going on and what to do, are all as straight as a dye, as honest as the day is long, and have never, EVER, told a lie in their lives.

I'm done with this conversation. Today's vote has pretty much rubber stamped the future of society. Good luck with that.

Please share. 

 

Fucking LOL.

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The vaccine is designed not to protect you from catching Covid but to protect you from the worst effects of Covid. I have had a fit and healthy non smoker, non drinker friend die because he was apprehensive about taking the vaccine, due to the drivel being spouted by the antivaxers,  and know several people who have had Covid after they have been vaccinated and, although felt crap for a week or so, are still here to tell the tale. Anyone who doesn’t understand that the passport is there to protect the vaccinated and non vaccinated from the worst ravages of the disease should realise the consequences of not complying are not backtrackable.

 

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When you look at the stats and graphs, the number of cases in Scotland shows that this is at the highest levels since the pandemic started.

Now, more than ever, the value of being vaccinated is unmeasurable.

Being vaccinated doesn't stop you catching or spreading the virus and there could be an argument that being vaccinated has helped cause the increased spread as people go about their business in a more relaxed manner as they have a level of protection.

For those that have the opportunity to be vaccinated, its their choice. The opportunity is there. The worry is that those that do not yet have the opportunity to be vaccinated are the ones at risk

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15 minutes ago, afc1903mad said:

When you look at the stats and graphs, the number of cases in Scotland shows that this is at the highest levels since the pandemic started.

Now, more than ever, the value of being vaccinated is unmeasurable.

Being vaccinated doesn't stop you catching or spreading the virus and there could be an argument that being vaccinated has helped cause the increased spread as people go about their business in a more relaxed manner as they have a level of protection.

For those that have the opportunity to be vaccinated, its their choice. The opportunity is there. The worry is that those that do not yet have the opportunity to be vaccinated are the ones at risk

Wrong thread 

 

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17 hours ago, Tinyweelad said:

Oh come on now... you really think that the Chinese, USA or UN published the damning evidence that states this? Of course it's not out in the public domain. But there's many, many sources of information on how the US were working on a virus in the US, which then moved to the Wuhan lab, still partly funded by the US, WHO, Gates Foundation etc, and Pfizer was patenting vaccines many moons ago for Covid.
Additionally, Countries such as the US, UK and WHO, were doing studies well in advance, on the likely effects of a pandemic from a coronavirus type flu. 2014 in fact in the UK.
And whistle blowers who saw evidence of PCR testing machines being order up before Batty McBatface made his appearance in a wet market in Wuhan.

Of course, all these stories are made up, Gates, Fauci, all the World Leaders, the WHO, the WEF and many, many more people who tell you what's going on and what to do, are all as straight as a dye, as honest as the day is long, and have never, EVER, told a lie in their lives.

I'm done with this conversation. Today's vote has pretty much rubber stamped the future of society. Good luck with that.

To what end?

Of course they've been working on vaccines for COVID - the first part of the name (SARS-COVID-19) should tell you why.

What about the pizzas?

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