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48 minutes ago, maryhilldon said:

Remember McInnes said that about James Wilson? 

McInnes LOL.

Bullshitting weegie beaut couldn't get a tune out of Maddison ffs.

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3 minutes ago, Betty Swallicks said:

McInnes LOL.

Bullshitting weegie beaut couldn't get a tune out of Maddison ffs.

That's better posting from you.

A terrific statement.

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3 minutes ago, BonnieDon said:

Likewise why would they sign him if he is shite?

For all we know Brighton might be after Ferguson and Jenks is part of the deal. Hibs already have Mallan, Allan, Murphy, Magennis and Newell. They are plenty covered in that position.

 

If you want to believe everything that Cormack, Glass and Russell tell you, that's fine. 

I hope they are successful but a bit of healthy scepticism never did anyone any harm.  There's a few things that don't quite add up so far so I'll keep an open mind. 

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5 minutes ago, SupportmeansSUPPORT said:

Hibs also spent 250k on Kevin Nisbet last season who is 24 the same age as Jamie McGrath and they were offered 10 times that for him within 6 months. If we spend 500k on McGrath and he does well we would not be waiting until he is 28 before selling him id be fairly certain we would be looking to sell him in a year to 18 months. The reason we didn't sell McLean or Shinnie for decent amounts was because we didn't do a good job of selling the player when they were under contract and also because English clubs were not keen to take players in from Scotland. That has now changed and they are more willing to look at the Scottish market now.

I'd rather pay 500k on a 24 year old like McGrath who has shown ability and proven he can play in our league for 18 months than pay 500k per year in wages to a 30year old American striker who in his entire career has only had 1 good season playing at the highest level in his country and that was 4 years ago.  

 

 

Exactly. 

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Just now, aberdeen1970 said:

McKay has signed for Hibs. He's not available. 

I've already stated my knowledge of that in previous posts. The point I'm making is that if and when a player like Mackay is available I'd prefer we opted to sign them over a 25 year old such as McGrath as I believe they can be as influential and have a greater sell on value. 

When we signed Kenny McLean, he'd only just turned 24 and cost just slightly under £300,000. That was a good bit of business. However I'm not so sure about spending £500,000 for a 25 year (whose had one good season in the SPL) during the current climate. Just to clarify, I'd be happy if we signed McGrath as I think he's a good player, I just think that fee could be better spent.

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1 minute ago, BonnieDon said:

I've already stated my knowledge of that in previous posts. The point I'm making is that if and when a player like Mackay is available I'd prefer we opted to sign them over a 25 year old such as McGrath as I believe they can be as influential and have a greater sell on value. 

When we signed Kenny McLean, he'd only just turned 24 and cost just slightly under £300,000. That was a good bit of business. However I'm not so sure about spending £500,000 for a 25 year (whose had one good season in the SPL) during the current climate. Just to clarify, I'd be happy if we signed McGrath as I think he's a good player, I just think that fee could be better spent.

We're probably boring each other now as we're not going to agree. 

I don't think 500k is an outlandish fee for a good player of that age.

Someone else also gave you Nisbet as an example. 

They guy you want to spend the money on has just signed for Hibs. You need to sign players that are available. But you'd rather risk him moving somewhere else and take Teddy on loan for a year instead in the hope that someone will appear in 12 months time for us to sign who is younger and plays in the same position. 

I think that policy is nonsense. 

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8 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said:

If you want to believe everything that Cormack, Glass and Russell tell you, that's fine. 

I hope they are successful but a bit of healthy scepticism never did anyone any harm.  There's a few things that don't quite add up so far so I'll keep an open mind. 

I’ll wait & see how we shape up at the end of the transfer window, but as it stands, when Cormack & Glass were talking about our plans for the summer, I was expecting better than what’s happened so far. 

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45 minutes ago, BonnieDon said:

 

No we don't need to make a huge profit on ever signing we make which is why I'm fully behind the signings of Gallagher, JET, Brown and Soon Ramirez. 3 of whom I believe will improve our current side and I'll reframe from making a judgement on Ramirez until he's had time to acclimatise and featured several times.

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What confuses me about the recruitment so far is that we were told that we are going to play fast attractive attacking football, on the front foot with a high press. To do that sort of football you need to have a lot of pace, energy and mobility in the team. But none of the players you mention above as signed so far fit in with that style of play.

I have not watched Jenks or Gurr so cant comment personally but I did ask someone who has seen Jenks play a fair bit and he talked of him as a technically decent player with a nice touch but he felt that he didn't have much pace and that might be an issue as he try to step up at senior level. Now I have never seen him so I don't know how true that assessment is but if it is true again it doesn't seem to fit with what we were told was the plan.

The Dundee Utd cup game when he tried to ask players who are not suited to playing in a certain style and formation is an example of what can happen if you havn't got the right players to suit playing the chosen system and style you want and so that is my concern. But I really hope your optimism is correct. It might be the case that he has decided to change from how he originally planned he would, and we are going to play a different way now and that's why he has gone for the players which he has chosen.

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I'm not even sure we would actually need to pay £500k for McGrath. St Mirren obviously have heard of interest in the player and want to maximise his value. But he is entering the final season of his contract there and the last thing St Mirren want is an unsettled player seeing out his contract and losing him for nothing at the end of it.

There's a deal to be done if we really do want him....I think we'd end up getting him for around £350k or so with a sell-on fee attached to the deal. However given out surfeit of midfielders, I don't see it happening unless we accept a bid for Ferguson in this window. And he may well be elsewhere if we are hoping to pinch him on the cheap in the January window.

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8 minutes ago, Ten Caat said:

I'm not even sure we would actually need to pay £500k for McGrath. St Mirren obviously have heard of interest in the player and want to maximise his value. But he is entering the final season of his contract there and the last thing St Mirren want is an unsettled player seeing out his contract and losing him for nothing at the end of it.

There's a deal to be done if we really do want him....I think we'd end up getting him for around £350k or so with a sell-on fee attached to the deal. However given out surfeit of midfielders, I don't see it happening unless we accept a bid for Ferguson in this window. And he may well be elsewhere if we are hoping to pinch him on the cheap in the January window.

I agree TC. 

I'm also assuming Ferguson is away one way or another. Its just a matter of time. 

McGrath is different from the rest of our midfielders in that he can play between the lines and take the ball on the turn so I don't think he is a duplication of the others who like to sit deeper and have the game in front of them.  I'd see him more as a replacement for Wright than Ferguson. Or a better option to Kennedy if you like. 

I'm not in love with McGrath per se but we shouldn't be baulking at buying decent players for a relatively small fee in their mid 20s if they can improve the team. 

Especially when we seem to be happy to pay top dollar in wages to guys in their 30s.

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17 minutes ago, SupportmeansSUPPORT said:

 

What confuses me about the recruitment so far is that we were told that we are going to play fast attractive attacking football, on the front foot with a high press. To do that sort of football you need to have a lot of pace, energy and mobility in the team. But none of the players you mention above as signed so far fit in with that style of play.

I have not watched Jenks or Gurr so cant comment personally but I did ask someone who has seen Jenks play a fair bit and he talked of him as a technically decent player with a nice touch but he felt that he didn't have much pace and that might be an issue as he try to step up at senior level. Now I have never seen him so I don't know how true that assessment is but if it is true again it doesn't seem to fit with what we were told was the plan.

The Dundee Utd cup game when he tried to ask players who are not suited to playing in a certain style and formation is an example of what can happen if you havn't got the right players to suit playing the chosen system and style you want and so that is my concern. But I really hope your optimism is correct. It might be the case that he has decided to change from how he originally planned he would, and we are going to play a different way now and that's why he has gone for the players which he has chosen.

I have wondered this, although I don't know if Glass has actually outright said fast attacking football with a high press etc? He has certainly said he wants to attack, citing the Aberdeen teams always attack mantra. I have also felt stuff about the press has been been implied. 

Anyway there is no doubt the recruitment so far doesn't seem to exactly fit this style. I've not been blown away by the signings so far but they haven't been terrible. We really need some pace injected now as well as a goalscorer and good centre half. 

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Folk want 5 million for Ferguson and are the same folk not wiling to pay 500k for McGrath, hahaha. 

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Desperately need some pace in the team. Yet again. 

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We need some goals from midfield, can't put all out eggs in the Ramirez basket... that's why McGrath is the play we should be going all out for.  If Ferguson goes, I feel like this is something we're going to need to do...

I see he got capped by Eire last month.  Won't come cheap.

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4 hours ago, GDON21 said:

Folk want 5 million for Ferguson 

What folk?  Nobody's been talking about that kind of figure for ages.  I think most reckon £3m would be a result.  He's a good player but he wasn't great last season and he wants to leave. 

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I have to say this summer had been a total let down so far. Cormack was quoted in a RedTV interview as saying that JET would be one of a number of attacking options for next season. Thus far (yes there is still time) that statement is extremely far from reality.

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10 minutes ago, maryhilldon said:

What folk?  Nobody's been talking about that kind of figure for ages.  I think most reckon £3m would be a result.  He's a good player but he wasn't great last season and he wants to leave. 

Agree completely.

If we could shift him for about 3M... then re-invest 500k in McGrath, it would be good business.  That sort of money, we possibly don't have - the Ferguson transfer fee will probably got toward covering our COVID losses.  However, I just feel on his current trajectory he has massive sell on potential too and is worth taking a gamble.  Totally hypothetical, but if we did get him and he scores another 15 goals for us next season, I doubt he'd see out a second season.  McGrath will already be on the radar of clubs down south - I'm not sure whether he's already out of our reach?

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4 hours ago, Sonoftherock said:

Agree completely.

If we could shift him for about 3M... then re-invest 500k in McGrath, it would be good business.  That sort of money, we possibly don't have - the Ferguson transfer fee will probably got toward covering our COVID losses.  However, I just feel on his current trajectory he has massive sell on potential too and is worth taking a gamble.  Totally hypothetical, but if we did get him and he scores another 15 goals for us next season, I doubt he'd see out a second season.  McGrath will already be on the radar of clubs down south - I'm not sure whether he's already out of our reach?

If McGrath is in the final year of his contract it may not take £500k - an offer off half that plus someone like Kennedy or McLennan might do the job, and has the added benefit of getting rid of another useless player from the squad.

I could see McGrath being a winter window signing though to be honest. Problem is if he starts the season well Celtic will come in for him then it’s game over. We’ll get him in 2 years time after he’s spent a couple seasons sitting on their bench.

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4 hours ago, super_al said:

I have to say this summer had been a total let down so far. Cormack was quoted in a RedTV interview as saying that JET would be one of a number of attacking options for next season. Thus far (yes there is still time) that statement is extremely far from reality.

As things stand JET is the only striker we have. The boy Ruth is the only back up we have and not sure there’s much to suggest he’s ready to step up. I wonder if McGinn will be used as a striker this season as he’s not got the pace to play the wide role if we’re planning to play exciting fast moving football

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1 hour ago, Don_Corleone said:

If McGrath is in the final year of his contract it may not take £500k - an offer off half that plus someone like Kennedy or McLennan might do the job, and has the added benefit of getting rid of another useless player from the squad.

I could see McGrath being a winter window signing though to be honest. Problem is if he starts the season well Celtic will come in for him then it’s game over. We’ll get him in 2 years time after he’s spent a couple seasons sitting on their bench.

If we don't have a windfall from selling Ferguson (or anyone else) then it's probably not worth pushing for McGrath unless they get keen for a deal at the deadline.

We've bigger fish to fry e.g. centre back, striker x 2, winger and maybe even a full back.

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12 minutes ago, Tord31 said:

If we don't have a windfall from selling Ferguson (or anyone else) then it's probably not worth pushing for McGrath unless they get keen for a deal at the deadline.

We've bigger fish to fry e.g. centre back, striker x 2, winger and maybe even a full back.

Creating chances and linking midfield with attack is a pretty major priority though based on last season 

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7 hours ago, super_al said:

I have to say this summer had been a total let down so far. Cormack was quoted in a RedTV interview as saying that JET would be one of a number of attacking options for next season. Thus far (yes there is still time) that statement is extremely far from reality.

Cormack is fast being found out to be full of shit. Up to him to prove us wrong

 

Cormack the (SOS) ;) 

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22 minutes ago, fine-n-dandy said:

Cormack is fast being found out to be full of shit. Up to him to prove us wrong

 

Cormack the (SOS) ;) 

Swiss Toni I call him and so far with the exception of Cormack Park he has done nothing to disprove that.

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There's no point in analysing the squad at the end of June, best to do it after the transfer window has closed at the start of September.

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8 hours ago, super_al said:

I have to say this summer had been a total let down so far. Cormack was quoted in a RedTV interview as saying that JET would be one of a number of attacking options for next season. Thus far (yes there is still time) that statement is extremely far from reality.

It's one thing stating you want to bring fast, attractive, attacking football but it is another sourcing the players to achieve the vision.

I reckon that, although very wealthy Cormack is a bit naive football wise as he shoots his mouth off making grand promises from time to time, which may, ultimately, be difficult for Glass to deliver.

Or are these grand promises just designed to fool folk into purchasing / renewing season tickets and / or AberDNA🤔.

As things stand our summer recruitment to match the grand promises has not materialised to date, especially given that pre-season training has already commenced.

I understand that Glass was keen for new signings to be in place before training commenced, so that his proposed playing philosophy could be properly grounded.

I really do hope that things will work out but the longer that time elapses without the level of further recruitment required the more the smell of bullshit rises!!

However, if there are truly real rumoured signings out there it is high time that IKN posters on this thread upped their game.

Up until now the "rumours" have been very sparse to say the least.....

 

 

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11 minutes ago, starryfish said:

There's no point in analysing the squad at the end of June, best to do it after the transfer window has closed at the start of September.

My biggest concern is Glass saying we'll maybe bring in another "2 or 3".  2 is not enough, 3 is barely enough depending on positions. Obviously this could change, but it's concerning that we're only looking to add such a small number of players when we're desperately low on quality and numbers

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We are/were after Irvine and McGrath so it's clear the club feel we need further additions of "Real Quality". It won't happen until after the Euros.

I suspect we'll sign a 3rd choice striker in the form of a loanee from England through Russell's contacts, a centre back, a winger, and possibly two midfielders (depending on both Ojo and Ferguson leaving this window).

@mainstandmoan any updates you could provide us with? 

 

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12 minutes ago, StandFree1982 said:

My biggest concern is Glass saying we'll maybe bring in another "2 or 3".  2 is not enough, 3 is barely enough depending on positions. Obviously this could change, but it's concerning that we're only looking to add such a small number of players when we're desperately low on quality and numbers

Hit them where it hurts then.  Stop buying tickets until Cormack and glass come up with their promises that come out of their moos. 

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7 minutes ago, BonnieDon said:

We are/were after Irvine and McGrath so it's clear the club feel we need further additions of "Real Quality". It won't happen until after the Euros.

I suspect we'll sign a 3rd choice striker in the form of a loanee from England through Russell's contacts, a centre back, a winger, and possibly two midfielders (depending on both Ojo and Ferguson leaving this window).

@mainstandmoan any updates you could provide us with? 

 

It was being claimed that mainstandmoan was Paul Sheerin. Hasn’t been heard from since departure. Assuming that is incorrect but who knows. Could really be doing with an exciting rumour or 2! 

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5 minutes ago, slippers said:

It was being claimed that mainstandmoan was Paul Sheerin. Hasn’t been heard from since departure. Assuming that is incorrect but who knows. Could really be doing with an exciting rumour or 2! 

'Mainstandmoan' 'joined' this board after sheerin had left for Falkirk.

For some reason I have my doubts as to it being the same poster as mad. Not sure why...😉

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