Summer 2021

[Durrant Dived]

13 minutes ago, fine-n-dandy said:

With his comparative budget to other clubs in the league he was bound to get lucky with a few but it must be said (especially considering his budgetary advantages) he got some real stinkers in there. 
 

I do like how you try to trivialise his dross as just ‘some’ yet his good ones as ‘an awful lot’ that would imply a far better hit than miss rate, when in actual fact it was far more heavily weighted towards dross/failures.

Let's be honest every club regardless of budget has good and bad signings and all managers are guilty of signing flops at some point. 

[thurso]

1 minute ago, fine-n-dandy said:

No I’m saying he (& his team) were pretty shite as a whole in terms of signings but his scattergun method had a few hits.

His main methodology of signings was terrible. Crocks & journey men for most part but he did get one or two good ones outwith that methodology. Like Rooney, McLean, Cosgrove, Logan, Shinnie. That is pretty much it really.

when you consider how strong a hand he held compared to his ‘competition’ for signings. He was pretty much a failure for most part

You said one or two and rattled of 5 and there is a lot more you left of that list. How many “crocks” did he actually sign. 

[ThomohawkKid]

Broony on a night out wae eoghan O’Connell - what’s odds his names banded about now?

[fine-n-dandy]

11 minutes ago, Durrant Dived said:

Let's be honest every club regardless of budget has good and bad signings and all managers are guilty of signing flops at some point. 

McInnes had a lot of lazy box ticking signings. Multiple hole fillers rather than specialists.

11 minutes ago, thurso said:

You said one or two and rattled of 5 and there is a lot more you left of that list. How many “crocks” did he actually sign. 

That’s 5 in 8 years, maybe he had another couple I cannot think of right now but by fk he had more shite than good.

Forrester, Gleeson, Tansey, Maynard, Main, May, Goodwillie, Kennedy, Ojo, (maybe McGeouch) Taylor (sure some will debate lol) Bryson, Storie, Stewart, this list goes on but not even onto loan signings yet where he also probably had more miss than hits. But maybe a slightly better ratio towards hits in them

[thurso]

1 minute ago, fine-n-dandy said:

McInnes had a lot of lazy box ticking signings. Multiple hole fillers rather than specialists.

That’s 5 in 8 years, maybe he had another couple I cannot think of right now but by fk he had more shite than good.

Forrester, Gleeson, Tansey, Maynard, Main, May, Goodwillie, Kennedy, Ojo, (maybe McGeouch) Taylor (sure some will debate lol) 

I’ll give you forrester, Gleason, tansey, Maynard, main, and ojo as shit. I’d put may goodwillie Kennedy mcgeouch and Taylor as average but your not naming his good signings 

[fine-n-dandy]

7 minutes ago, thurso said:

I’ll give you forrester, Gleason, tansey, Maynard, main, and ojo as shit. I’d put may goodwillie Kennedy mcgeouch and Taylor as average but your not naming his good signings 

I named all the good ones I could think of.

As I say though his loan signings record was probably a lil better than his ft signings record but I still think even that record was heavier weighted towards miss than hit

 

Kennedy is nowhere near average, that is pushing it. Taylor whilst maybe slightly better second time around isn’t either imo. Goodwillie was a failure also

[The Gee Man]

39 minutes ago, thurso said:

Derek like most managers signed some dross but also signed an awful lot of good players 

Out of the final squad left what percentage would you say is “Good”?

[fine-n-dandy]

I’d like to see a FULL list of all McInnes signings. Or two even, one with ft signings & also loans.

Just to have a decent look. But maybe best in McInnes thread for this

[Tord31]

27 minutes ago, ThomohawkKid said:

Broony on a night out wae eoghan O’Connell - what’s odds his names banded about now?

Never heard of him but see he is out of contract. Rochdale captain? Due to be a better bet than Devlin

[thurso]

31 minutes ago, fine-n-dandy said:

I named all the good ones I could think of.

As I say though his loan signings record was probably a lil better than his ft signings record but I still think even that record was heavier weighted towards miss than hit

 

Kennedy is nowhere near average, that is pushing it. Taylor whilst maybe slightly better second time around isn’t either imo. Goodwillie was a failure also

So are you not counting loan signings as good signings as they don’t count as their not permanent 

 

and out of interest why are you classing goodwillie as a failure 

[fine-n-dandy]

6 minutes ago, thurso said:

So are you not counting loan signings as good signings as they don’t count as their not permanent 

 

and out of interest why are you classing goodwillie as a failure 

I was only mentioning his main signings at first but feel free to be all inclusive as although his loan signings record is maybe a lil better (as it should be really as that generally comes from teams out with our budget) but it’s still not great IMO.

Goodwillie was at very best an average signing but a failure in reality & expectations quite simply. Are you trying to say he was better than he was

 

shift to correct thread if you really want to continue 

[thurso]

38 minutes ago, The Gee Man said:

Out of the final squad left what percentage would you say is “Good”?

Lewis, Hoban, Ferguson, mccrorie, hayes, McGinn probably mccgeouch won’t count the players who have come through the youth ranks 

[The Gee Man]

2 minutes ago, thurso said:

Lewis, Hoban, Ferguson, mccrorie, hayes, McGinn probably mccgeouch won’t count the players who have come through the youth ranks 

Wow Hoban certainly was released as not up to standard in the end! Even Hayes and McGinn had very poor seasons and in all honesty should not have been resigned imo! But still only 6.5 out of the squad so definitely a very very poor return and makes my initial point! Recruitment was sub standard 

[fine-n-dandy]

10 minutes ago, thurso said:

Lewis, Hoban, Ferguson, mccrorie, hayes, McGinn probably mccgeouch won’t count the players who have come through the youth ranks 

Hayes & McGinn are Brown signings.

if you want to class them as Mcinnes signings then you surely have to judge them as they are in terms of their second spells with us. 
Lazy ‘safe’ signings that have basically been a let down second time around for most part

[ThomohawkKid]

41 minutes ago, Tord31 said:

Never heard of him but see he is out of contract. Rochdale captain? Due to be a better bet than Devlin

Was a young lad wae Celtic. Played the odd first team game.

[ThomohawkKid]

Just read this on his wiki page and now am pretty convinced he’s a target.

O'Connell plays as a centre back.^[22] During his time with Celtic, the Herald Scotland described him as "an assured ball-playing centre-half with an air of calmness around him which has belied his lack of experience."^[36] His manager at Celtic, Brendan Rodgers, said O'Connell had an "in-built brain for the game."^[23]

[WesthillWanderersFC]

2 minutes ago, ThomohawkKid said:

Just read this on his wiki page and now am pretty convinced he’s a target.

O'Connell plays as a centre back.^[22] During his time with Celtic, the Herald Scotland described him as "an assured ball-playing centre-half with an air of calmness around him which has belied his lack of experience."^[36] His manager at Celtic, Brendan Rodgers, said O'Connell had an "in-built brain for the game."^[23]

Played just 10 league games for a club relegated to the bottom tier of English football.

No thanks. 

[Tord31]

Where did you see they were out? insta?

[Durrant Dived]

1 hour ago, fine-n-dandy said:

McInnes had a lot of lazy box ticking signings. Multiple hole fillers rather than specialists.

So did Calderwood, McGhee, Paterson, Brown...

[fine-n-dandy]

4 minutes ago, Durrant Dived said:

So did Calderwood, McGhee, Paterson, Brown...

Of course they all did also. Probably as many if not more.

Our recruitment has in general been extremely LAZY with very little actual work involved in terms of ‘eye for emerging talent’ for a long long time.

So hopefully this is something we really are focusing on improving.

Im not just blaming McInnes for his recruitment but end of day, he had final say & I am pretty sure he was very involved with them all.

 

edit. That said. JET for example falls very snuggly into the above criteria 

[ThomohawkKid]

15 minutes ago, Tord31 said:

Where did you see they were out? insta?

Yeah. Am no saying he’s any good just to clarify, just putting 2 n 2 together.

[GDON21]

9 hours ago, DD1903 said:

I think we should be going for McNamara in that case. Rooney has only really played 4 months this season, so a no from me

McNamara went back to Millwall and won young player of the year in half a season and agreed a long term deal. Wouldn't go for Rooney personally, turned up n the big games but I have seen him plenty games getting the run around. 

[WesthillWanderersFC]

9 minutes ago, GDON21 said:

McNamara went back to Millwall and won young player of the year in half a season and agreed a long term deal. Wouldn't go for Rooney personally, turned up n the big games but I have seen him plenty games getting the run around. 

He’s a flavour of the month player.

He’s a big, honest trier, who’s had a great season, but he’s pretty limited.

I wouldn’t want him. 

[Durrant Dived]

32 minutes ago, fine-n-dandy said:

Of course they all did also. Probably as many if not more.

Our recruitment has in general been extremely LAZY with very little actual work involved in terms of ‘eye for emerging talent’ for a long long time.

So hopefully this is something we really are focusing on improving.

Im not just blaming McInnes for his recruitment but end of day, he had final say & I am pretty sure he was very involved with them all.

 

edit. That said. JET for example falls very snuggly into the above criteria 

May as well add Glass to the list along with our next manager too. Yes our recruitment could be better but we will always sign players that end up being duds.

[Andy_123]

Someone had a list of all McInnes signings in another thread somewhere.

His good and average signings combined were still outnumbered by the complete pish he brought in here over the years.

[Redtaz2]

33 minutes ago, Durrant Dived said:

May as well add Glass to the list along with our next manager too. Yes our recruitment could be better but we will always sign players that end up being duds.

Jesus that’s a depressing outlook 

[DD1903]

1 hour ago, GDON21 said:

McNamara went back to Millwall and won young player of the year in half a season and agreed a long term deal. Wouldn't go for Rooney personally, turned up n the big games but I have seen him plenty games getting the run around. 

Yeah I know. I was trying to make a point. 

[Don Fonte]

17 minutes ago, DD1903 said:

Yeah I know. I was trying to make a point. 

And failed miserably. Well done.

[fine-n-dandy]

27 minutes ago, DD1903 said:

Yeah I know. I was trying to make a point. 

That was the GWT’s philosophy as well. 
as it became Mcinnes’s too

[Redtaz2]

Jack gurr who has been mentioned as a target  , got a game tonight and lasted until 87min then red carded