Welcome back Stephen Glass

[DelMonte]

Can’t find it anywhere.

[DelMonte]

Ah it’s on Hunters patreon.

[thurso]

4 hours ago, Arabian Knight said:

yer makkin a cunt o it agen thurso

? Aye right ok. Just asked why was he a good coach so far only been told he’s basically worked with nuno at some average teams but ok 

[muttonhumper]

3 hours ago, DelMonte said:

Ah it’s on Hunters patreon.

Magnificent temple in Athens.

 

Went there the day after the Panathinaikos match.

[Sydney_Red]

11 hours ago, aberdeen1970 said:

The week that Cormack and Glass went over to the States to secure the release of Jack Gurr was the first real alarm bell. 

The interview that Glass did when he tried to claim Gurr wasn’t the third choice right back at Atlanta. That was the start of Glass getting on my tits. It was a very valid question asked during a fans forum, and his response was to treat the club supporters like a bunch of thickets. He could of said something like we have a great young RB coming through the youth team so Gurr is to compete with him, or we think Gurr could be improved with coaching and fit into our system. But no, instead he implies that Gurr is way higher up the pecking order at Atlanta and we have made quite the acquisition. Did he just think we were going to forget about that when he turned out to be predictably sub standard? 
 

another absolutely baffling decision with no attempt made to explain why the fuck we went in this direction.

[Parklife]

7 hours ago, thurso said:

? Aye right ok. Just asked why was he a good coach so far only been told he’s basically worked with nuno at some average teams but ok 

Think you've got a reading and understanding problem. Working at big clubs like Valencia, Spurs and Newcastle for high quality managers demonstrates he is a good coach. 

Him being a shite manager, your only evidence he isn't a good coach, doesn't make any sense. It's a completely different thing. As pointed out above loads of great managers haven't been great coaches and vice versa. 

[alscotoz]

22 hours ago, thurso said:

So he follows Nuno from club to club. He could be just there putting cones out doing as he’s told doesn’t mean he’s actually doing anything with purpose 

What an ignorant cunt

[thurso]

5 hours ago, Parklife said:

Think you've got a reading and understanding problem. Working at big clubs like Valencia, Spurs and Newcastle for high quality managers demonstrates he is a good coach. 

Him being a shite manager, your only evidence he isn't a good coach, doesn't make any sense. It's a completely different thing. As pointed out above loads of great managers haven't been great coaches and vice versa. 

I think your idea of big clubs and mine are different then. 
I’d also agree a good coach doesn’t make a good manager, but a good coach should be able to go into an average team and make them better not worse just by coaching. Especially when he’s working under a director of football who is doing a lot of the management work taking pressure of you. 

[Fridge]

Ha just read up!

 

it is good though 

[Parklife]

22 minutes ago, thurso said:

I think your idea of big clubs and mine are different then. 
 

Which one of Valencia, Newcastle and Spurs isn't a big club? 

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I’d also agree a good coach doesn’t make a good manager, but a good coach should be able to go into an average team and make them better not worse just by coaching. Especially when he’s working under a director of football who is doing a lot of the management work taking pressure of you. 

He might've made players better as individuals. He didn't make them better as a team though. That's more a gauge on his performance as a manager though, not a coach. You seem to be confusing these two things. 

Anyway, ill move on and I'll let you continue thinking that despite being continually employed by top managers at big clubs, Iain Cathro is actually a rubbish coach. 

[Poodler]

Spurs aren’t a big club 

Jewish meddling ensures they’ve a seat at the top table but they’re a novelty club. Imagine being less successful than arsenal 

[Parklife]

2 minutes ago, Poodler said:

Spurs aren’t a big club 

 

Don't be silly. 

[thurso]

1 hour ago, Parklife said:

Which one of Valencia, Newcastle and Spurs isn't a big club? 

He might've made players better as individuals. He didn't make them better as a team though. That's more a gauge on his performance as a manager though, not a coach. You seem to be confusing these two things. 

Anyway, ill move on and I'll let you continue thinking that despite being continually employed by top managers at big clubs, Iain Cathro is actually a rubbish coach. 

I wouldn’t rate Spurs or Newcastle as a big clubs. Valencia used to be a good team but for a while were well down in the league because of spending money they couldn’t afford meant they were in loads of debt snd could t spend any money anymore, does that make them big 

He’s been mostly employed by the guy nuno is he classed as a top manager, it’s not as if he’s been head hunted by one top manager after another to better teams over and over again. He’s gone as a back room staff member over and over again by the same guy mostly following him from team to team. 

[Parklife]

9 minutes ago, thurso said:

I wouldn’t rate Spurs or Newcastle as a big clubs. Valencia used to be a good team but for a while were well down in the league because of spending money they couldn’t afford meant they were in loads of debt snd could t spend any money anymore, does that make them big 

So clubs that get 40k+ through the door every week aren't big clubs? 

You must think AFC are a minuscule club. 

9 minutes ago, thurso said:

He’s been mostly employed by the guy nuno is he classed as a top manager, it’s not as if he’s been head hunted by one top manager after another to better teams over and over again. He’s gone as a back room staff member over and over again by the same guy mostly following him from team to team. 

He's been employed by Nuno repeatedly and Rafa Benitez. He's also worked with and being employed by former international manager Craig Levein. 

The fact you think all these people have employed him and he continues to work at a very high level but isn't a good coach is baffling.

You're just ignoring all evidence in order to pig-headedly stick with your initial view. 

That's me done with this nonsense now 

[Parklife]

5 minutes ago, Roberto said:

Why do you believe they are a big club?

I'm interested. 

Big fans base who turn out every week, huge turnover, historically pretty successful (although laughably unsuccessful in terms of trophies in recent times) and regularly play in the CL (a cancer on football and absolutely shite that 4 teams from certain leagues get in).

They're one of the biggest 5 or 6 clubs in the biggest and richest league in the world. 

 

[afc1903mad]

3 minutes ago, Roberto said:

Yeah I guess this is the modern take on what makes a club a big one.

I disagree with the big fan base aspect. Infact I despise that being the benchmark on what makes a big club.

I would have completely accepted 'well historically, they did win trophies'. FA Cups and a few euro trophies (from memory), but I have the argument with pals alot, that in this day and age we seem to determine a big club by fan base. Newcastle have a big fan following, but I just don't deem them a big club.

That's just my take on matters. I accept the trophies aspect, but the rest I just don't. Qualifying for CL does not determine (IMO) a big club.

Its an interesting discussion and definitely tied to the definition of what constitutes being a big club.

From a trophy success point of view, many clubs had a history of success that they no longer achieve.

How long without success before you stop becoming a big club? 

Who's the bigger club, Man Utd or Leicester? Leicester have certainly been more successful in recent years.

 

That's why for me, success in tournaments can be achieved by smaller teams, but that does not constitute a definition of how big a club is.

Is St Johnstone a bigger club than Aberdeen? They've had more success than Aberdeen in recent year, indeed going by last year, they would therefore be bigger than Celtic.

 

The so-called bigger teams, generally have more success and generally are more successful because they have more finance and can afford better players. 

In the modern world therefore, financial terms govern how big a club is, with the finances achieved via a number of different factors.

Arsenal are a prime example of a big club that have been unsuccessful. Measured in the top 10 in the world financially, but you wouldn;t say that St Johnstone were bigger than them.

 

Its why we are a bigger club than Hearts and Hibs as well. Sure they have higher attendances, but the accounts show that our revenue (overall) and turnover is higher than them.

 

Club success and Club size are two different measures although one does influence the other

[Parklife]

12 minutes ago, Roberto said:

Yeah I guess this is the modern take on what makes a club a big one.

I disagree with the big fan base aspect. Infact I despise that being the benchmark on what makes a big club.

I would have completely accepted 'well historically, they did win trophies'. FA Cups and a few euro trophies (from memory), but I have the argument with pals alot, that in this day and age we seem to determine a big club by fan base. Newcastle have a big fan following, but I just don't deem them a big club.

That's just my take on matters. I accept the trophies aspect, but the rest I just don't. Qualifying for CL does not determine (IMO) a big club.

Fair enough. Aye, my own take (perhaps a bit outdated in the modern footballing world) is that big clubs are ones that win things. 

I accept that what I said initially is a bit of a modern/sky sports fan take. 

To relate it back to the initial point on Cathro though, according to this link ( https://www.statista.com/statistics/1231497/revenue-of-football-clubs-in-2021/ ) they have the 9th highest turnover in world football. For Thurso to claim they employ shite coaches to coach their first team squad, doesn't seem likely to me. 

[thurso]

21 minutes ago, Parklife said:

Big fans base who turn out every week, huge turnover, historically pretty successful (although laughably unsuccessful in terms of trophies in recent times) and regularly play in the CL (a cancer on football and absolutely shite that 4 teams from certain leagues get in).

They're one of the biggest 5 or 6 clubs in the biggest and richest league in the world. 

 

 

38 minutes ago, Parklife said:

So clubs that get 40k+ through the door every week aren't big clubs? 

You must think AFC are a minuscule club. 

He's been employed by Nuno repeatedly and Rafa Benitez. He's also worked with and being employed by former international manager Craig Levein. 

The fact you think all these people have employed him and he continues to work at a very high level but isn't a good coach is baffling.

You're just ignoring all evidence in order to pig-headedly stick with your initial view. 

That's me done with this nonsense now 

Ok Newcastle get 40000 fans every week does not make them a big club so do Sunderland are they a big club. They have won nothing for 60 years. I’ll put Spurs in that bracket to. 
 

Steve mclaren who appointed Cathro not Benitez as manager when he was sacked in that season Benitez came in and kept him. He didn’t head hunt him he was already there for 6 months or so till he took over at hearts where Levien has be largely lampooned for his football career the last 10 years or so, so I’m not sure that’s a good argument either 

[Ten Caat]

Spurs not a big club?

They've won a ECWC and 2 UEFA cups so have the edge on us for European history. Plus were Champions League runners up 2 seasons back. 

Newcastle have won the Fairs Cup (what the UEFA Cup was initially known as).

We like to think that we are a big club. Yet we exist on crowds that are dwarfed by what those two pull in. And play for/win prize money that they consider loose change.

[Parklife]

12 minutes ago, thurso said:

 

Ok Newcastle get 40000 fans every week does not make them a big club so do Sunderland are they a big club. They have won nothing for 60 years. I’ll put Spurs in that bracket to. 
 

Steve mclaren who appointed Cathro not Benitez as manager when he was sacked in that season Benitez came in and kept him. He didn’t head hunt him he was already there for 6 months or so till he took over at hearts where Levien has be largely lampooned for his football career the last 10 years or so, so I’m not sure that’s a good argument either 

Steve McLaren. A good example of a very, very highly regarded coach and not that great a manager. 

Thanks for adding yet more fuel to the "Thurso is talking nonsense" fire. 

[thurso]

23 minutes ago, Parklife said:

Fair enough. Aye, my own take (perhaps a bit outdated in the modern footballing world) is that big clubs are ones that win things. 

I accept that what I said initially is a bit of a modern/sky sports fan take. 

To relate it back to the initial point on Cathro though, according to this link ( https://www.statista.com/statistics/1231497/revenue-of-football-clubs-in-2021/ ) they have the 9th highest turnover in world football. For Thurso to claim they employ shite coaches to coach their first team squad, doesn't seem likely to me. 

I think with that link you might of proved my point, for Spurs to have the 9th highest turnover in world football but win nothing in years and play pretty crap they must employ shite coaches to coach the first team squad 

[Parklife]

2 minutes ago, thurso said:

I think with that link you might of proved my point, for Spurs to have the 9th highest turnover in world football but win nothing in years and play pretty crap they must employ shite coaches to coach the first team squad 

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[Henry]

1 hour ago, afc1903mad said:

Its an interesting discussion

No it isn't. 

[Guest]

Note that SG's win rate so far is 33%, which puts him in the same bracket as Pele Paterson, Pa Broon and the late Ebbe.

However if we continue our pish run through to the end of October he will be challenging the two pishest managers in our history, namely Alex Miller and Mark McGhee.

McGhee had a 24% win rate. Would DC let the Glass ceiling go even lower to save his pride?

[Guest milne_afc]

2 hours ago, Ten Caat said:

We like to think that we are a big club

Lol

Who seriously thinks Aberdeen are a big club? Hilarious.

[WesthillWanderersFC]

45 minutes ago, Woody21 said:

Note that SG's win rate so far is 33%, which puts him in the same bracket as Pele Paterson, Pa Broon and the late Ebbe.

However if we continue our pish run through to the end of October he will be challenging the two pishest managers in our history, namely Alex Miller and Mark McGhee.

McGhee had a 24% win rate. Would DC let the Glass ceiling go even lower to save his pride?

Hard to say how long Cormack would give him if it carries in as shite & as hopeless as it is.

Maybe give him a run of more favourable fixtures through November after the shitfest of October’s fixtures?

If no improvement, get rid in early December to give a new man a few weeks to see what he feels he needs just before the January window? 

Fuck knows, that’s all guesswork.

To me, it’s just delaying the inevitable. 

 

[1983]

On 5/7/2021 at 7:38 AM, 1983 said:

This is the easiest their job will ever get. Time to deliver soon

 

On 5/7/2021 at 7:54 AM, Dons79 said:

Hey pant pisher!, there just in the door, try giving them time as it’s McInnes team!,

secondly!, time to deliver what?. We are out all competitions for this year so I think you might be dissapointed. 

 

On 5/7/2021 at 8:01 AM, 1983 said:

As in over the summer and into next season... Let’s not be deluded, if things don’t go well to start with then this place will be the first to “pant pish”.

If there was a spectrum, with one end being Ian Cathro and the other end being Pep, then Glass and co  are closer to Cathro. Time to deliver.

 

On 5/7/2021 at 8:35 AM, Parklife said:

Based on what? Absolutely fuck all. 

 

On 5/7/2021 at 8:54 AM, Durrant Dived said:

Deliver what exactly? 1 trophy in 26 years like the previous 26? 

Firstly we all want an improvement on the shite we have been watching but I doubt that is going to click straight away. Considering 13 players could be leaving/need replaced it's going to take time. I don't see how the beginning of an era after a shambolic ending to the last is "time to deliver" 

 

On 5/7/2021 at 9:51 AM, Byrne Baby Byrne said:

That is one hell of a spectrum. I'm not sure the relevance of this

 

On 5/7/2021 at 12:46 PM, redcryptoknight said:

We're already better than we were under McInnes. Players coming forward in numbers, looking like we've actually worked on things in training... movement off the ball, actually scoring goals. etc etc

 

On 5/7/2021 at 2:56 PM, Redtaz2 said:

I agree it’s like saying we have hendry and Anderson when there is Kane and Harland out there 

we have what we can afford and have a realistic chance of getting on loan 

the original post was not relevant or realistic 

 

On 5/8/2021 at 3:19 PM, 1983 said:

How long will you give him?

If we have a poor start next season, at what point would you recognise the gamble of hiring a completely inexperienced manager hasn’t paid off? How do you know time would help if it does go pear shaped? Do you think Hearts should have kept Cathro?

We don’t live in a binary world. It seems like some on here believe you can only be for or against Glass and co. I would LOVE it to work, but I’m realistic that the odds of Glass being a success are long. Do you accept that?

My original comment about seeing nerves in both Glass and Russell was because of the way they are communicating. Russell in particular was speaking like Mal had spilt his pint. I find people who are confident and in control don’t need that front. The most serious of cunts smile and have charm, and they know when they need to flick the switch. Time will tell, I hope they do really well, but if it starts badly then you can’t throw your toys out of the pram.

 

On 5/8/2021 at 3:26 PM, aberdeen1970 said:

For all Cathro's inadequacies as a manager his teams finished above Levein's.  People forget that. He wasn't a complete disaster. Obviously better suited to being a coach though. 

 

On 5/8/2021 at 4:08 PM, aberdeen1970 said:

Glass hasn't signed anyone on a long term contract yet for a start. All 3 players signed so far have been for 2 years. 

And Cathro didn't sign players with the pedigree of Brown (albeit 36) or Gallagher. 

Comparing Glass to Cathro at this stage is just mischief making. 

 

 

 

On 5/8/2021 at 4:12 PM, 1983 said:

Absolutely. They both have zero experience of building and managing a team, and have excited people about coaching and talking well.

You said Cathro wasn’t a complete disaster. Step away.

 

On 5/8/2021 at 4:16 PM, aberdeen1970 said:

I'm not saying he wasn't shite but a complete disaster would have been relegation. 

Which other Hearts, Hibs and Dundee United managers have managed. 

Time will tell re Glass but putting him in a Cathro box to suit your narrative is just mischief making. 

Why didn't you put him in a box with otegr rookie managers who did OK in their first job.  You've got an agenda

So you fucking step away. 

 

On 5/8/2021 at 4:59 PM, 1983 said:

To suit my narrative? That IS my narrative.

As I said, I would LOVE him to do well. But putting him “in a box” with other successful rookie managers wouldn’t be highlighting my point that this could all go pear shaped because talk is cheap - next season he has to deliver, because that’s all the time he’ll get. Absolutely.

 

On 5/8/2021 at 5:05 PM, aberdeen1970 said:

Every single person on here knows its a risk. 

But there's nothing about Glass other than the fact it's his first senior job that reminds me of Cathro who also had the disadvantage of never having being a professional footballer, let alone not having played for a club before being appointed their manager.

Which are 2 other differences between the two.  There are better comparables with Glass before you need to get to Cathro. 

 

On 5/8/2021 at 5:16 PM, 1983 said:

I see similarities in the way they talk, why would I compare him against someone I don’t see similarities? It’s an opinion. End.

 

On 5/8/2021 at 6:32 PM, WesthillWanderersFC said:

I agree with most of that. 

If we get off to a bad start, it won’t take long for fans to start with the “we told you so” chat.

He does need time though. 

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[WesthillWanderersFC]

2 minutes ago, 1983 said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Fuck me, that took far too much effort, surely?

 

[Ke1t]

1 hour ago, WesthillWanderersFC said:

Hard to say how long Cormack would give him if it carries in as shite & as hopeless as it is.

Maybe give him a run of more favourable fixtures through November after the shitfest of October’s fixtures?

If no improvement, get rid in early December to give a new man a few weeks to see what he feels he needs just before the January window? 

Fuck knows, that’s all guesswork.

To me, it’s just delaying the inevitable. 

 

Unless it looks like we're getting relegated, give him the whole season.  Either he improves or he gets enough rope to hang himself, figuratively. 

In the meantime, however, I would recommend the club start identifying potential replacements. 

And by 'replacements' I mean people who have experience managing a football club, and have some degree of success in doing so, rather than, 'a mate of Dave Cormack'. 

 

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, Ke1t said:

Unless it looks like we're getting relegated, give him the whole season.  Either he improves or he gets enough rope to hang himself, figuratively. 

In the meantime, however, I would recommend the club start identifying potential replacements. 

And by 'replacements' I mean people who have experience managing a football club, and have some degree of success in doing so, rather than, 'a mate of Dave Cormack'. 

 

Far too wise a statement for this forum.

Hope yer right about "replacements" homework but suspect DC will appear with a happy clappy Q & A session the next time we win back to back games, which does seem a long way off at present.....