Jump to content
Frank Grimes

Welcome back Stephen Glass

Recommended Posts

10 minutes ago, slippers said:

The 1 thing I feared if Glass struggled is that people would say we were wrong to sack Mcinnes. Make absolute no mistake it was time for him to go and anyone saying otherwise needs to have a word with themselves. The problem lies with if Glass was the right appointment, I wasn't initially happy with appointment but he almost won me over but on reflection if it weren't for 2 GK's basically throwing the ball in the net in the Livi win and county draw things would be even worse. Things could get really toxic if we don't get results and performances that match the investment. 

I was waiting for someone to say this

The only way sacking mcinnes was right, was if someone could better his record 

They have to do better than 2nd/3rd mostly, 4th very occasionally

Do you think glass can do that?

Share this post


Link to post

It’s not a fair comparison. McInnes’ best finishes and only cup win came in the weakest ever period of the modern era. 
This season will be the strongest in 20+ years.

Not a defence of Glass btw, he’s a frail weakling of a man who won’t be a successful manager at any level of football.

  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
3 minutes ago, Millertime said:

I was waiting for someone to say this

The only way sacking mcinnes was right, was if someone could better his record 

They have to do better than 2nd/3rd mostly, 4th very occasionally

Do you think glass can do that?

None of us know that yet. Regardless of what happens with Glass a Aberdeen team with the third biggest budget in league is expected to finish third or they are underachieving. Mcinnes side has finished 4th in last 3 season and don't think he cant take credit for last seasons finish. Hibs beating us to third last season is a little more understanding as they have a very similar budget but Motherwell and Killie piping us to third on half the budget is completely unacceptable. His time was up. I really hope it all clicks for Glass but lack of CB's and creative players does not bode well going forward!

Share this post


Link to post

Hun DMC inherited a team with Hayes, Mcginn, Pawlett, etc and the bulk of the side he inherited went on to win the only cup in the sleekit cunts over numerated reign,  yes he had to bring in better players and he did that and got the reward within a year, 

Glass has had to try and polish a turd, a negative side, with a negative mentality, inherited from a weegie orange cunt,  yes things aren't so good now but he has far more surgery to do on the squad that the last charlatan who was getting 17 grand a week to show up when it suited him, 

  • Upvote 5

Share this post


Link to post
12 minutes ago, slippers said:

None of us know that yet. Regardless of what happens with Glass a Aberdeen team with the third biggest budget in league is expected to finish third or they are underachieving. Mcinnes side has finished 4th in last 3 season and don't think he cant take credit for last seasons finish. Hibs beating us to third last season is a little more understanding as they have a very similar budget but Motherwell and Killie piping us to third on half the budget is completely unacceptable. His time was up. I really hope it all clicks for Glass but lack of CB's and creative players does not bode well going forward!

Mcinnes had run out of steam and run out of ideas. I’d arguably say Aberdeen haven’t been a decent team to watch since the 2017 cup final. Glass might not be the right man, hopefully turns it round soon. He needs to.

  • Upvote 3

Share this post


Link to post
9 minutes ago, ericblack4boss said:

Hun DMC inherited a team with Hayes, Mcginn, Pawlett, etc and the bulk of the side he inherited went on to win the only cup in the sleekit cunts over numerated reign,  yes he had to bring in better players and he did that and got the reward within a year, 

Glass has had to try and polish a turd, a negative side, with a negative mentality, inherited from a weegie orange cunt,  yes things aren't so good now but he has far more surgery to do on the squad that the last charlatan who was getting 17 grand a week to show up when it suited him, 

He can’t say he hasn’t been backed though.

How many has he brought in? 
10?

The signings have been patchy so far.

Woods - Decent no2. 

Gurr - just shite

Gallagher - has looked bang average so far.

Bates - obviously not had any chance yet

Brown - started well but been average last few games

Jenks - shown nothing aside from one decent goal

Longstaff - done nothing of note

Watkins - early days

Samuels - only had 60 mins so who knows

Ramirez - Earning a fortune by our standards. Needs chances put on a plate as he won’t do anything himself. 

The thing is, even if his recruitment had been 100% bang on, I don’t think he has it within him to structure a team, defensively or to create anything.

A disorganised rabble at times with no discernible style of play, formation, creation or pace. 

We’ll have a far better idea by the end of October once we’ve played the scum x2 & the Edinburgh clubs.

If that goes badly, then the number of doubters will inevitably grow. 

 

Share this post


Link to post
55 minutes ago, slippers said:

The 1 thing I feared if Glass struggled is that people would say we were wrong to sack Mcinnes. Make absolute no mistake it was time for him to go and anyone saying otherwise needs to have a word with themselves. The problem lies with if Glass was the right appointment, I wasn't initially happy with appointment but he almost won me over but on reflection if it weren't for 2 GK's basically throwing the ball in the net in the Livi win and county draw things would be even worse. Things could get really toxic if we don't get results and performances that match the investment. 

As I posted elsewhere, the scenario was akin to Caladerwood's last 18 months, in which his limitations were truly exposed, resulting in a slow but inexorable decline. While McGhee failed, of that there is no doubt, this does not alter the fact Caladerwood's time was undoubtedly up. The same applies to McInnes, good though he was in his first 5 years.

53 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said:

Ticks just about every box in the bury the head in the sand list Jocky. 

Supporters have every right to question what is going on. We've not won in 6 and the signing policy is scattergun to say the least so far.

When is it OK for supporters to ask questions regarding the results and the performances on the park? 

 

You misunderstood slightly. I am not in any way saying we can't or shouldn't ask questions, nor apply constructive criticism. I am however stating that, while the Cup exit (and to a point the Euro exit) are huge disappointments, this was our first league defeat and it's thus premature for fans to shit the bed. The transfer window has just closed and while I feel the team should be more balanced, the side has only just been assembled and thus deserves just a wee bit more time. I also give Glass the next transfer window to rectify any faults that remain between now and Xmas. 

If things don't pick up after January, then yes I will be voicing dissent, but at this early stage? Come on, guys...

44 minutes ago, Millertime said:

Three year downward spiral?

What were our last 3 year league placings, seasons that mcinnes finished ?

With respect, those who say we couldn't expect to lay a glove on Rantic and Celgers due to budget differences are often the same ones who condone the fact we were bested in the league three years running by Kilmarnock, Motherwell and Hibernian, all of whom had significantly less to work with. Not to mention the Cup results in this time. We were on an irreversible downward spiral, due to the law of diminishing returns and whether Glass succeeds or not (and he certainly wasn't my preferred choice) parting with McInnes when we did was the correct decision.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
7 minutes ago, WesthillWanderersFC said:

He can’t say he hasn’t been backed though.

How many has he brought in? 
10?

The signings have been patchy so far.

Woods - Decent no2. 

Gurr - just shite

Gallagher - has looked bang average so far.

Bates - obviously not had any chance yet

Brown - started well but been average last few games

Jenks - shown nothing aside from one decent goal

Longstaff - done nothing of note

Watkins - early days

Samuels - only had 60 mins so who knows

Ramirez - Earning a fortune by our standards. Needs chances put on a plate as he won’t do anything himself. 

The thing is, even if his recruitment had been 100% bang on, I don’t think he has it within him to structure a team, defensively or to create anything.

A disorganised rabble at times with no discernible style of play, formation, creation or pace. 

We’ll have a far better idea by the end of October once we’ve played the scum x2 & the Edinburgh clubs.

If that goes badly, then the number of doubters will inevitably grow. 

 

Add JET, McGinn and Devlin and that's 13.

Share this post


Link to post
18 minutes ago, Jocky Balboa said:

As I posted elsewhere, the scenario was akin to Caladerwood's last 18 months, in which his limitations were truly exposed, resulting in a slow but inexorable decline. While McGhee failed, of that there is no doubt, this does not alter the fact Caladerwood's time was undoubtedly up. The same applies to McInnes, good though he was in his first 5 years.

You misunderstood slightly. I am not in any way saying we can't or shouldn't ask questions, nor apply constructive criticism. I am however stating that, while the Cup exit (and to a point the Euro exit) are huge disappointments, this was our first league defeat and it's thus premature for fans to shit the bed. The transfer window has just closed and while I feel the team should be more balanced, the side has only just been assembled and thus deserves just a wee bit more time. I also give Glass the next transfer window to rectify any faults that remain between now and Xmas. 

If things don't pick up after January, then yes I will be voicing dissent, but at this early stage? Come on, guys...

With respect, those who say we couldn't expect to lay a glove on Rantic and Celgers due to budget differences are often the same ones who condone the fact we were bested in the league three years running by Kilmarnock, Motherwell and Hibernian, all of whom had significantly less to work with. Not to mention the Cup results in this time. We were on an irreversible downward spiral, due to the law of diminishing returns and whether Glass succeeds or not (and he certainly wasn't my preferred choice) parting with McInnes when we did was the correct decision.

Answer the question 

Share this post


Link to post
23 minutes ago, Ernie McCracken said:

Add JET, McGinn and Devlin and that's 13.

Forgot about JET - he’s 1 game champagne, 3 shite.

The other two aren’t new signings - was only talking about players he’s brought in. 

Share this post


Link to post
1 hour ago, WesthillWanderersFC said:

Forgot about JET - he’s 1 game champagne, 3 shite.

The other two aren’t new signings - was only talking about players he’s brought in. 

Yeah but those two could’ve been off the wage bill as they were out of contract, and we could’ve brought in one or two others instead. It was his choice to re-sign and waste money on two players who will hardly play a handful of games between them this season.

so he’s signed 1 keeper, 4 defenders (inc devlin), 3 midfielders, 5 attacking players (inc McGinn - although only Ramirez is an out and out striker from that bunch)

Share this post


Link to post
52 minutes ago, Don_Corleone said:

Yeah but those two could’ve been off the wage bill as they were out of contract, and we could’ve brought in one or two others instead. It was his choice to re-sign and waste money on two players who will hardly play a handful of games between them this season.

so he’s signed 1 keeper, 4 defenders (inc devlin), 3 midfielders, 5 attacking players (inc McGinn - although only Ramirez is an out and out striker from that bunch)

Gurr is a bit part defender but will be forced into side now because of Ramsay injury. (Not even as good as Logan on Logan’s bad days)

Devlin has only replaced the Devlin of last season, ie. The one that wasn’t there.

Bates is the replacement for Considine (likely similar quality at best) 

Gallagher is replacing Taylor/Hoban with a makeshift midfielder trying to be passed off as another defender in McCrorie to replace the other.

 

Absolutely brutal management of ‘strengthening’ a defence that was really quite hard to fk up in improving but somehow the Glass man has managed it.

He had more than enough time to see what was needed but wasted far too long on chasing shite like Robertson & then only signed fkn Bates as a replacement for Consi ffs.

For someone touted (by the snake oil salesman puppeteer) as vastly experienced in coaching & what is needed & someone that ‘knows the Scottish game’ inside out. Glass has made a complete cunt of our defence & if not for the emergence of great potential prospects in Ramsay/Mackenzie to distract slightly, then Glass would be taking a lot more fkn shit from fans for the utter shambles our defence is.

Yes there is probably also an argument to lay some blame for defensive shambles on the midfield also (they certainly don’t escape criticism) but ultimately it is all down to Glass & what he thought would work in Scottish football.

 

Ffs St Johnstone probably lost their two strongest defensive players & I bet their result v Huns will be a lot better than our cluster fks will achieve 

Share this post


Link to post

We are playing the same system and tactics as Atlanta United. I suspect that both clubs will adopt the same system right the way through  their youth systems in order to make prayer scouting, recruitment and movement between the two clubs easier. 

Share this post


Link to post

Not worried whatsoever. It's so early into the season. Just remember St Johnstone fans wanted Davidson gone in October of last season. He went on to do the cup double with a 5th place finish. We are a good side and he deserves time. 

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
3 hours ago, BonnieDon said:

Not worried whatsoever. It's so early into the season. Just remember St Johnstone fans wanted Davidson gone in October of last season. He went on to do the cup double with a 5th place finish. We are a good side and he deserves time. 

Maybe you’re not worried but depends on what your ambitions are for club are compared to others, whether for this season or future but this season the absolute minimum expectations have got to be continued league finish at least for Euro qualification (zero excuses for not as that is what we expect from ANY Aberdeen manager) no transition period BS excuses in that very minimal expectation. Especially after all the bravado spouted by Cormack to justify Glass being ‘the best candidate for the job’ there can be zero tolerance for failure at that. That is a pathetic expectation on its own for our budget though as we should be also aiming for a cup & fk all the BS but but but the arse cheeks shite, as that has been proven (even when Huns were at best last season) that cups are cups & there for anyone that is halfway decent.

 

 

Current form has us far from any of these expectations, you may brush it off as not being worried but these SHITE results & performances are exactly what cost very poor to average teams latterly in season. We aren’t able to spend big & try to fix things in January window like the arse cheeks can, so we need to make the Summer windows our best windows & hit ground running.

Share this post


Link to post
9 hours ago, BonnieDon said:

Not worried whatsoever. It's so early into the season. Just remember St Johnstone fans wanted Davidson gone in October of last season. He went on to do the cup double with a 5th place finish. We are a good side and he deserves time. 

^^^ happy clapper found ^^^

Share this post


Link to post

It would maybe help Colgate Cormack if he came out and said what the specific areas were that Glass was a better candidate in than the others shortlisted, and even better name who they were so the fans can understand his reasoning,

Probably not going to happen though

Share this post


Link to post
11 hours ago, BonnieDon said:

Not worried whatsoever. It's so early into the season. Just remember St Johnstone fans wanted Davidson gone in October of last season. He went on to do the cup double with a 5th place finish. We are a good side and he deserves time. 

Well if we end up doing the cup double this season we’ll all be proven wrong… oh wait a minute… 🤦🏽‍♂️

Share this post


Link to post
17 hours ago, Millertime said:

I was waiting for someone to say this

The only way sacking mcinnes was right, was if someone could better his record 

They have to do better than 2nd/3rd mostly, 4th very occasionally

Do you think glass can do that?

So when Cormack sacked McInnes did you think it was the wrong decision?

Share this post


Link to post
1 hour ago, Yorston Vasey said:

^^^ happy clapper found ^^^

I just think she hasn't pished her pants.

We are undergoing a transition. We've immediately improved our possession stat and changed from just lumping the ball long and giving away possession.

We do need to learn how to break teams down as teams are capatilising on just sitting in and hitting on the break

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
17 hours ago, Millertime said:

I was waiting for someone to say this

The only way sacking mcinnes was right, was if someone could better his record 

They have to do better than 2nd/3rd mostly, 4th very occasionally

Do you think glass can do that?

 

3 minutes ago, Rico1903 said:

So when Cormack sacked McInnes did you think it was the wrong decision?

McInnes's last 6 months must have had us close to relegation form

Share this post


Link to post
2 minutes ago, afc1903mad said:

I just think she hasn't pished her pants.

We are undergoing a transition. We've immediately improved our possession stat and changed from just lumping the ball long and giving away possession.

We do need to learn how to break teams down as teams are capatilising on just sitting in and hitting on the break

Aye, if you play 5 central midfielders who are basically possession type players then you can keep the ball for 89 minutes without looking like scoring, and in the other minute the opponents will punt it long and we’ll make a total hash of it and lose 1-0. 
 

hopefully, getting guys like hedges back and Watkins up to speed, and maybe even Samuels in the team will help us convert possession into goals. Even JET playing up alongside Ramirez (not standing around on the half way line) would make a difference.

Share this post


Link to post
11 minutes ago, Don_Corleone said:

Aye, if you play 5 central midfielders who are basically possession type players then you can keep the ball for 89 minutes without looking like scoring, and in the other minute the opponents will punt it long and we’ll make a total hash of it and lose 1-0. 
 

hopefully, getting guys like hedges back and Watkins up to speed, and maybe even Samuels in the team will help us convert possession into goals. Even JET playing up alongside Ramirez (not standing around on the half way line) would make a difference.

I think JET works well against teams where they will sit in. i.e. Ross County, Motherwell, Livingston etc, but against better teams his workrate is just not good enough.

He can play that creative role i.e. his pass through to McKenzie the other day was very nice and got us in behind their back line, but don;t think it will work against Celtic, SevCo or even Hibs. He did well as an impact sub against Hearts after they had busted a gut in the first 60 minutes and ran out of steam.

So Jet can be very good for 1/2 the league, but (in my opinion) will only be beneficial as an impact sub against the top half

Share this post


Link to post
28 minutes ago, afc1903mad said:

 We've immediately improved our possession stat and changed from just lumping the ball long and giving away possession.

Do you think that? 

Maybe I'm wrong (it's been known to happen) but my memory of McInnes' last couple of seasons is very much having all of the ball but doing absolutely nothing with it. 

Share this post


Link to post
8 minutes ago, afc1903mad said:

I think JET works well against teams where they will sit in. i.e. Ross County, Motherwell, Livingston etc, but against better teams his workrate is just not good enough.

He can play that creative role i.e. his pass through to McKenzie the other day was very nice and got us in behind their back line, but don;t think it will work against Celtic, SevCo or even Hibs. He did well as an impact sub against Hearts after they had busted a gut in the first 60 minutes and ran out of steam.

So Jet can be very good for 1/2 the league, but (in my opinion) will only be beneficial as an impact sub against the top half

The game against Motherwell I would have played JET up front alongside Ramirez instead of Ojo running about doing who knows what. 

Share this post


Link to post

First real test of Glass’s credentials as manager now. Presumably the players brought in were with his backing so it up to him to get them gelling as team. We have a good squad and some have come in with big reputations but have yet to get going (Gallacher, Longstaff etc). There’s certainly a problem to fix at the back. Maybe Bates will be the answer. Persisting with McCrorie won’t help his case though. We’re creating plenty but the finishing in front of goal has been pitiful. The fact we were dominant in possession against Motherwell gives me some hope that Glass can get us firing once the team have had a few more games to get to know one another’s games and build an understanding.

We’ve been dumped out of 2 cups and lost ground in the league so he’s got a job to do to win over the detractors who questioned his suitability for the role.

Not quite time to panic yet but needs to get us out of the slump quick to avoid the fans getting on his back.

Share this post


Link to post
26 minutes ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said:

Do you think that? 

Maybe I'm wrong (it's been known to happen) but my memory of McInnes' last couple of seasons is very much having all of the ball but doing absolutely nothing with it. 

We definitely have more possession now. Last 2 games we've had 75%.

We had 56% v Motherwell away last season and 48% v Ross County under mcinnes at home.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
59 minutes ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said:

Do you think that? 

Maybe I'm wrong (it's been known to happen) but my memory of McInnes' last couple of seasons is very much having all of the ball but doing absolutely nothing with it. 

My ending memory under McInnes was the ball inevitably passed back to Taylor or Lewis to lump it long.

At least now we seem to be trying to play out from the back and have possession further up the pitch.

Yes, we still need to have that creative element which seems lacking at the moment, but hopefully that will come

Share this post


Link to post
36 minutes ago, afc1903mad said:

My ending memory under McInnes was the ball inevitably passed back to Taylor or Lewis to lump it long.

At least now we seem to be trying to play out from the back and have possession further up the pitch.

Yes, we still need to have that creative element which seems lacking at the moment, but hopefully that will come

Our defence is shit. We will win nothing and be nothing until that is sorted. We are out of two cups and lucky to be in the middle of the table because our defence is shit. If the Livingston keeper could hold a ball we’d be in the bottom half and really that’s where we are performing at present. Can’t defend, can’t create. Can pass horizontally in the middle of the park. The St Mirren game will be interesting. Lose that and we will be well in the relegation lineup. Did I say our defence is shit. We can have Hedges back with Watkins and score the odd goal but unless they’ve turned into Pele and Messi we will still lose. I hope Bates is great and being a loan player in bottom hugging Belgian side makes him capable but there’s a lot to fix. We have a gaping wound in the centre of defence. 

  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

×
×
  • Create New...