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25 minutes ago, Ernie McCracken said:

So is it a year regardless? If at the game against St Johnstone Glass starts breaking down in tears on the sideline, puts Ramirez in goals, and forces Considine to play on crutches, do we still say give it a season? 

Whats the cut off? Do we have to play out the charade for a season regardless? Allow him to waste the January transfer window? 

It's not that the results haven't come, that's to be expected to a certain degree, but it's pretty clear  he's out of his depth, so I'm just not sure what people are hoping will happen. 

No, it all depends on results. We should be looking to be as lenient as possible, though. And his contract is a year rolling, so we should be looking to that as a timeframe. If he loses his next 15 games, then we're obviously talking the sack. My point is you can't fairly assess someone after this length of time with the changes made.  
 

I don't think Glass is a wimp, as some are making out, he does need to ditch the school teacher look, though. Makes him look glaikit. 
 

 

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32 minutes ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

But they have to be on some level? It's clear we were in regression, we've now made an attempt to arrest that and progress again. A manager is only as good as his last few results, that's football. Especially modern football. 
 

You're saying "why get rid of McInnes when this isn't any better" is such a stupid thing to say, for two reasons.

 

1.) Nobody involved with AFC can predict the future. No managerial appointment is a guaranteed success, especially in the first 3 months. 
 

2.) It might yet improve. 

Last time I'm saying it

Because his last 6 months were spent having had his main striker sold, one of his main attackers in Wright,  sold, his other main attacker hedges injured

And he was only allowed to replace them with 3 last minute loan signings, none of whom were match fit 

I have no problem with that as he was leaving at the end of the season so wanted to leave as much maneuverability for the next guy 

But its also a firm reason as to why to assess glass against mcinnes, you simply cannot use the last few months as the yardstick 

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5 minutes ago, Millertime said:

Last time I'm saying it

Because his last 6 months were spent having had his main striker sold, one of his main attackers in Wright,  sold, his other main attacker hedges injured

And he was only allowed to replace them with 3 last minute loan signings, none of whom were match fit 

I have no problem with that as he was leaving at the end of the season so wanted to leave as much maneuverability for the next guy 

But its also a firm reason as to why to assess glass against mcinnes, you simply cannot use the last few months as the yardstick 

We were shit before then, though. 
 

Largely because he brought in guys who failed. 
 

 

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5 minutes ago, Millertime said:

Last time I'm saying it

Because his last 6 months were spent having had his main striker sold, one of his main attackers in Wright,  sold, his other main attacker hedges injured

And he was only allowed to replace them with 3 last minute loan signings, none of whom were match fit 

I have no problem with that as he was leaving at the end of the season so wanted to leave as much maneuverability for the next guy 

But its also a firm reason as to why to assess glass against mcinnes, you simply cannot use the last few months as the yardstick 

We were shit before then, though. 
 

Largely because he brought in guys who failed. 
 

 

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53 minutes ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said:

Because the traditional “bigger” teams you are talking about are shite so it makes no difference. 
 

Hibs weren’t missing, they got relegated ffs 😂. It took them 3 years to get back up, including losing a play off to Falkirk. How often have they finished top 4 in the last 20 years? Not many. 
 

Hearts got relegated twice because they are shite. They were in the bottom 6 with us the season before McInnes. 
 

There  were stronger teams than current Hearts / Hibs around then. 
 

What you are saying is the same as the media refusing to accept Aberdeen challenging celtic because we are Aberdeen. 
 

aberdeen 2 points behind Celtic around January 2015 = meaningless

rangers 4 points behind rangers around January 2019 = red hot title challenge

We all know that the powers that be favour the big 2 but to have 2 rangers in the same league is pushing it a bit😂😂

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1 hour ago, Ernie McCracken said:

Deluding yourself that this is part of the prawcess to success. It's not, it's Glass (and or Cormack) being out of his depth. 

Why does implementing transition require Jack Gurr?

Why does implementing transition require the playing of 5 centre midfielders?

Why does implementing transition require playing McCrorie in defence? 

Why does implementing transition require having a terribly unbalanced squad despite signing 13 players?

No manager is capable of coming into this club and instantly living up to the expectations of the fans. Nobody within our budget anyway.

1 hour ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

Wait and see is all I'm saying. 
 

Don't write anybody off just yet. 
 

Jack Gurr a howler of a signing, happens to every manager. 

Correct. For all the ones stuck in the past, their messiah Sir Alec wasted hundreds of millions on utter dung. Eye-watering money on shite with little to no return on it.

1 hour ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

But they have to be on some level? It's clear we were in regression, we've now made an attempt to arrest that and progress again. A manager is only as good as his last few results, that's football. Especially modern football. 
 

You're saying "why get rid of McInnes when this isn't any better" is such a stupid thing to say, for two reasons.

 

1.) Nobody involved with AFC can predict the future. No managerial appointment is a guaranteed success, especially in the first 3 months. 
 

2.) It might yet improve. 

Ooft, I am enjoying your posts this evening. I feel grubby now.

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7 minutes ago, Big Hat Logan said:

Correct. For all the ones stuck in the past, their messiah Sir Alec wasted hundreds of millions on utter dung. Eye-watering money on shite with little to no return on it.

Hi.

I don’t pine after the purple patch like some of the whiters on here, but SAF(put respect on his name) wasted hundreds of millions with little to no return? I think that’s incorrect.

Peace.

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1 hour ago, Millertime said:

The last 10 games of mcinnes are not the yardstick 

At all

And I'm not saying that again 

It’s not the yardstick, I agree.

As has been pointed out time and again, the regression was over 4 years to the lowest point of those last 6 months

I was a supporter of him. Said he deserved the opportunity to implement a better way. Sadly he could not do it and deserved to be sacked

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7 minutes ago, afc1903mad said:

It’s not the yardstick, I agree.

As has been pointed out time and again, the regression was over 4 years to the lowest point of those last 6 months

I was a supporter of him. Said he deserved the opportunity to implement a better way. Sadly he could not do it and deserved to be sacked

It was a gradual regression though, results wise over 4 years which is a pretty lengthy period. 

2nd to 4th over that period. 

Performances weren't pretty the last couple of years but he did try to rebuild in 2017 with the likes of GMS etc. Unfortunately the players that came in were in the main not as good as the ones that were here before. 

And then he appeared to lose heart and/or interest after the Hun job debacle after getting a new contract out of it as well. 

The gamble with Glass is that we could eventually rebuild a team that is full of young talent that goes on to match or exceed McInnes' teams 

Or

We fall off a cliff relatively quickly. 

At the moment it could easily go either way as he is completely unproven so we have no history with him to predict with any degree of certainty.  

We have to give him time but at tge same time he has to start getting results as it's been mediocre to be kind so far. 

 

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2 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said:

It was a gradual regression though, results wise over 4 years which is a pretty lengthy period. 

2nd to 4th over that period. 

Performances weren't pretty the last couple of years but he did try to rebuild in 2017 with the likes of GMS etc. Unfortunately the players that came in were in the main not as good as the ones that were here before. 

And then he appeared to lose heart and/or interest after the Hun job debacle after getting a new contract out of it as well. 

The gamble with Glass is that we could eventually rebuild a team that is full of young talent that goes on to match or exceed McInnes' teams 

Or

We fall off a cliff relatively quickly. 

At the moment it could easily go either way as he is completely unproven so we have no history with him to predict with any degree of certainty.  

We have to give him time but at tge same time he has to start getting results as it's been mediocre to be kind so far. 

 

Mediocre IS being kind

He is failing so far

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1 hour ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said:

Because the traditional “bigger” teams you are talking about are shite so it makes no difference. 
 

Hibs weren’t missing, they got relegated ffs 😂. It took them 3 years to get back up, including losing a play off to Falkirk. How often have they finished top 4 in the last 20 years? Not many. 
 

Hearts got relegated twice because they are shite. They were in the bottom 6 with us the season before McInnes. 
 

There  were stronger teams than current Hearts / Hibs around then. 
 

What you are saying is the same as the media refusing to accept Aberdeen challenging celtic because we are Aberdeen. 
 

aberdeen 2 points behind Celtic around January 2015 = meaningless

rangers 4 points behind rangers around January 2019 = red hot title challenge

The point was about those teams being missed from the league was not the calibration they were playing at, but the potential they could compete with us for players.

Could Hearts or Hibs competed for the likes of McLean had they been in the top league. The allure of staying in the central belt could have been a factor.

Similarly with SevCo. There was no talk of us losing our better players to them, once they were up, McLean, Shinnie, Rat, Wright and now Hedges are all being “linked” with a move there.

So those teams not in the premier league and giving the opportunity for McInnes to establish his side did make it easier for him than what Glass is facing now.

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4 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said:

It was a gradual regression though, results wise over 4 years which is a pretty lengthy period. 

2nd to 4th over that period. 

Performances weren't pretty the last couple of years but he did try to rebuild in 2017 with the likes of GMS etc. Unfortunately the players that came in were in the main not as good as the ones that were here before. 

No disagreement and for 3 1/2 years of that regression, I supported, defended and argued he deserved time and opportunity to improve things.

The last 6 months, I moved over to the time for McInnes to be replaced camp.

6 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said:

The gamble with Glass is that we could eventually rebuild a team that is full of young talent that goes on to match or exceed McInnes' teams 

Or

We fall off a cliff relatively quickly. 

At the moment it could easily go either way as he is completely unproven so we have no history with him to predict with any degree of certainty.  

We have to give him time but at tge same time he has to start getting results as it's been mediocre to be kind so far. 

 

Yes, it could go either way, but all this talk of getting rid and he’s not good enough is truly laughable. Glass needs to be given the opportunity to implement a new style we all want to watch.

I said a few games ago, that he had exceeded my expectations, which he had. The Motherwell game was a big blow along with the Ross County result, so he’s where I thought a team in transition was likely to be.

The next month is going to be tough and I’m not going to join the Glass out numpties so early in the season. The lad needs to be given more time.

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3 minutes ago, afc1903mad said:

 

Yes, it could go either way, but all this talk of getting rid and he’s not good enough is truly laughable. Glass needs to be given the opportunity to implement a new style we all want to watch.

I said a few games ago, that he had exceeded my expectations, which he had. The Motherwell game was a big blow along with the Ross County result, so he’s where I thought a team in transition was likely to be.

The next month is going to be tough and I’m not going to join the Glass out numpties so early in the season. The lad needs to be given more time.

Yeah he needs time. 

But he has to buy himself time too. 

And you only really do that by getting decent results.  Time runs out pretty quickly if you don't win games very often. 

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8 hours ago, Millertime said:

Yep, amazing what happens when you lose your main striker, one of your main attacking mids to injury,  one to "rangers" and only allowed to bring in 3 last minute loans who were shockingly short of match fitness eh?

(See, I can cherry pick excuses too)

Didn’t score for 10 games. No excuses can be made. 

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4 hours ago, Andy_123 said:

Finishing 2nd when the hun were back in the league was a good achievement.

Finishing 2nd when they weren't wasn't overachieving, which was 3 of the 4 times wasn't it?

First second place finish over the Huns was thanks to them still being in shambles & the damage Pedro done to them that Murty was in too late to rectify, second time was the impressive one imo & probably our best season & only real season that we could class as ‘overachieving’. 
All rest were either bang average/to be expected or below expectations.

This nonsense some folk spout about the likes of Caley, Well etc. being just as good as the likes of Hib,Hearts,Huns & even Utd (to an extent) when they were absent all those seasons is just BS, as that was three teams with budgets either bigger, or close to our level under normal circumstances that were missing from the league.

The attempts to glamorise McInnes’s tenure during such a piss easy period is quite pathetic. As over the piece McInnes only really performed bang average really & that is being overly generous when you consider his 3 shitey 4th place finishes.

The fact we were so shite prior to McInnes also makes his achievements seem far better than what we got used to but he done fk all more than the minimal we as a club should expect in reality.

His overall record in management is nothing better than blatantly average & even his only other time where he was classed as doing well was one season at St Johnstone where he also had one of the biggest budgets compared to his competitors & earned them promotion to big league. That got him his move to BC where he fkn tanked when his competitors were of a more equal level.

 

Only happy clappers & fans under 40 would deem McInnes anything better than bang average at best. Much akin to the melt that is Millertime raving about Jimmy Calderwood’s tenure. Which was probably actually on a par with McInnes in all honesty & I dare say JC would have achieved similar or even better than McInnes did over 8 years given same advantages & benefits 

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30 minutes ago, fine-n-dandy said:

First second place finish over the Huns was thanks to them still being in shambles & the damage Pedro done to them that Murty was in too late to rectify, second time was the impressive one imo & probably our best season & only real season that we could class as ‘overachieving’. 
All rest were either bang average/to be expected or below expectations.

This nonsense some folk spout about the likes of Caley, Well etc. being just as good as the likes of Hib,Hearts,Huns & even Utd (to an extent) when they were absent all those seasons is just BS, as that was three teams with budgets either bigger, or close to our level under normal circumstances that were missing from the league.

Ah so now you are an expert on why we finished where we did, even though you had to use an inaccurate website earlier 😂😂😂

Finished on 76 points in 2016 and scored 74 goals in 38 games. Absolutely battered Motherwell 7-2, partick 7-0, Dundee 7-0, Kilmarnock 5-0. Completely unimpressive though and only cause rangers were crap.

seriously what are you thinking Glass is going to achieve if that is bang average?

hearts and hibs weren’t “missing”. They got relegated by being the 2 worst teams out of 12. 
 

Hearts came back a year later and were actually decent enough that season. Then quickly turned shite again. Despite their strong budget. 
 

big budget hibs took 3 years to get back up. 
 

but it is Aberdeen who were bang average.
 

1996 and 2007 are the only top 3 appearances I’ve seen us achieve out with McInnes and I’ve been going over 25 years so you are probably right about the under 40 thing. But I’m afraid if you think we are going to go back to winning the league and European titles you should probably just give up and stop stressing cause it’s not going to happen.

 

can guarantee you enjoyed those first 4 seasons… if you didn’t I don’t know why you bother. you’re surely just looking back with bitterness cause it ended so pish

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48 minutes ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said:

Ah so now you are an expert on why we finished where we did, even though you had to use an inaccurate website earlier 😂😂😂

Finished on 76 points in 2016 and scored 74 goals in 38 games. Absolutely battered Motherwell 7-2, partick 7-0, Dundee 7-0, Kilmarnock 5-0. Completely unimpressive though and only cause rangers were crap.

seriously what are you thinking Glass is going to achieve if that is bang average?

hearts and hibs weren’t “missing”. They got relegated by being the 2 worst teams out of 12. 
 

Hearts came back a year later and were actually decent enough that season. Then quickly turned shite again. Despite their strong budget. 
 

big budget hibs took 3 years to get back up. 
 

but it is Aberdeen who were bang average.
 

1996 and 2007 are the only top 3 appearances I’ve seen us achieve out with McInnes and I’ve been going over 25 years so you are probably right about the under 40 thing. But I’m afraid if you think we are going to go back to winning the league and European titles you should probably just give up and stop stressing cause it’s not going to happen.

 

can guarantee you enjoyed those first 4 seasons… if you didn’t I don’t know why you bother. you’re surely just looking back with bitterness cause it ended so pish

Aye. The 2015-17 team were a good side.  It's pretty mean spirited to suggest otherwise. 

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1 hour ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said:

Ah so now you are an expert on why we finished where we did, even though you had to use an inaccurate website earlier 😂😂😂

Finished on 76 points in 2016 and scored 74 goals in 38 games. Absolutely battered Motherwell 7-2, partick 7-0, Dundee 7-0, Kilmarnock 5-0. Completely unimpressive though and only cause rangers were crap.

seriously what are you thinking Glass is going to achieve if that is bang average?

hearts and hibs weren’t “missing”. They got relegated by being the 2 worst teams out of 12. 
 

Hearts came back a year later and were actually decent enough that season. Then quickly turned shite again. Despite their strong budget. 
 

big budget hibs took 3 years to get back up. 
 

but it is Aberdeen who were bang average.
 

1996 and 2007 are the only top 3 appearances I’ve seen us achieve out with McInnes and I’ve been going over 25 years so you are probably right about the under 40 thing. But I’m afraid if you think we are going to go back to winning the league and European titles you should probably just give up and stop stressing cause it’s not going to happen.

 

can guarantee you enjoyed those first 4 seasons… if you didn’t I don’t know why you bother. you’re surely just looking back with bitterness cause it ended so pish

Your stamina for this is incredible 

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1 hour ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said:

Ah so now you are an expert on why we finished where we did, even though you had to use an inaccurate website earlier 😂😂😂

Finished on 76 points in 2016 and scored 74 goals in 38 games. Absolutely battered Motherwell 7-2, partick 7-0, Dundee 7-0, Kilmarnock 5-0. Completely unimpressive though and only cause rangers were crap.

seriously what are you thinking Glass is going to achieve if that is bang average?

hearts and hibs weren’t “missing”. They got relegated by being the 2 worst teams out of 12. 
 

Hearts came back a year later and were actually decent enough that season. Then quickly turned shite again. Despite their strong budget. 
 

big budget hibs took 3 years to get back up. 
 

but it is Aberdeen who were bang average.
 

1996 and 2007 are the only top 3 appearances I’ve seen us achieve out with McInnes and I’ve been going over 25 years so you are probably right about the under 40 thing. But I’m afraid if you think we are going to go back to winning the league and European titles you should probably just give up and stop stressing cause it’s not going to happen.

 

can guarantee you enjoyed those first 4 seasons… if you didn’t I don’t know why you bother. you’re surely just looking back with bitterness cause it ended so pish

Make all the excuses you want but facts are facts, McInnes was no better than bang average & latterly was below that. He had ONE season where you could say he performed slightly above BANG AVERAGE but most (even really shite) managers mange that now & again. 
 

ooooh whooopie we had a couple of high scoring games in his 8 fkn seasons 🤣 ffs do you actually hear yourself & the desperation to argue McInnes was anything better than a bang average manager? 
 

as said. Just because we had nothing but shite managers for most part prior to McInnes, that doesn’t make him a fkn better manager than he actually was. At best all it does is prove just how SHITE all the previous were under fkn Milne.

 

I don’t expect us to win the league. Especially whilst the arse cheeks have it sewn up from all angles but I expect us to finish ‘best of rest’ as minimal expectations but aiming for better. Our budget dictates that at very least, so that is what any manager should be expected to achieve at Aberdeen but a GOOD manager would never settle for even that sentiment & would certainly have us challenging for title at some point. Capitalise on the arse cheeks drawing all/most games v each other as long as we are good enough to match their results against the rest (not expecting too much that) & treat games v them as cup finals. That is something McInnes rarely had us doing mentally. Even in ACTUAL fkn cup finals.

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12 hours ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

If he was allowed to boss us this season and continued in the same vein, then we are relegated.

Or avoiding relegation via a play off at best

In the same vein being gathering the points in the manner described beforehand ie 11 points every 13 games. That absolutely has us either relegated or in play-off territory.

This was obvious. and what I relayed was clear and reasonable.

 

Hence my rather agitated reply to it being described as "hysterical".

That type of low brow,  repetitive, unthinking and childish manner of response on here by some that gets on one's tits.

I really should refrain from rising to the bait.

Though sometimes it is a bit tough to differentiate between bait and stupidity or ignorance.

 

 

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14 hours ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said:

rangers 4 points behind rangers around January 2019 = red hot title challenge

Sounds like a Daily R*cord wet dream that. 

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13 hours ago, milne_afc said:

Hi.

I don’t pine after the purple patch like some of the whiters on here, but SAF(put respect on his name) wasted hundreds of millions with little to no return? I think that’s incorrect.

Peace.

It should read “little to no return on them” as in players that were signed for millions, did fuck all and were subsequently binned for little to no return financially.

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16 hours ago, Ernie McCracken said:

So is it a year regardless? If at the game against St Johnstone Glass starts breaking down in tears on the sideline, puts Ramirez in goals, and forces Considine to play on crutches, do we still say give it a season? 

Whats the cut off? Do we have to play out the charade for a season regardless? Allow him to waste the January transfer window? 

It's not that the results haven't come, that's to be expected to a certain degree, but it's pretty clear  he's out of his depth, so I'm just not sure what people are hoping will happen. 

Come on now. You're being silly. 

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21 hours ago, SDY said:

The wage bill has gone from £5.2m sitting regularly in 9th place in 2013 to £10m and regularly 4th place in 2021, and we were block booking training sessions on university facilities. Also had Jamie Langfield in goal.

Glass has taken in the Celtic captain, an expanded coaching team plus a DOF and head of recruitment, a striker who was on $1m a year, another striker who was on £14k a week, loans from Newcastle, Brighton and Wolves, a Scotland centre back and another high earning centre back from Hamburg, with various fees paid. 

Yet some lunatics are painting it that Glass has it harder.

We should be expecting to be a fucking fantastic team. It looks like Cormack has thrown money about with no actual idea of how it all fits together. 

Well he has the wrong man in as manager for a start that is becoming clearer with every passing debacle. Crazy from Cormack shooting yourself in the foot when there is no need to.

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3 hours ago, Big Hat Logan said:

It should read “little to no return on them” as in players that were signed for millions, did fuck all and were subsequently binned for little to no return financially.

Nobody cares about profits and losses on players at clubs the size of Man U when you're gobbling up trophies. 
 

Not in the same universe as us, as a club. 

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2 hours ago, DD1903 said:

Come on now. You're being silly. 

Yeah a silly scenario, but I was making a point, in that what level of mismanagement is acceptable whilst he is being given time?

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2 minutes ago, Ernie McCracken said:

Yeah a silly scenario, but I was making a point, in that what level of mismanagement is acceptable whilst he is being given time?

Slightly over the top...He's had 6 months. Calm down.

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12 minutes ago, DD1903 said:

Slightly over the top...He's had 6 months. Calm down.

So asking what level of mismanagement will be tolerated is over the top? 

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