European Super League

[Foster14]

12 minutes ago, Betty Swallicks said:

The 12 clubs named so far have combined debts of over 6 billion.

Arsenal made 55 folk redundant and now discussing paying 350mil to get into this Disney league. 

Barca are 1.2 billion euros in debt alone.

That's the whole point of this, isn't it?  They are of the belief that they spend over the odds brings most of the money in to the game from the commercial side, but they don't get enough benefit out of it.  Managed poorly by organisations that are trying to appease everyone and not the "main attractions".

It's been on the cards for ages, the Champions League has largely become a closed shop in the latter stages, the same teams dominate all the domestic leagues and clubs are owned by venture capitalists and rich elites that have no historic connection to the location of the clubs.  

Step 1 - Create a super league that runs alongside domestic leagues - force leagues to accept or risk losing their pulling power.  Use domestic leagues as a reserve/feeder club into the main one.  

Step 2 - Commercialise the Super League to the hilt.  The NFL, which from this season has around 280 games a year, has just got a TV deal worth $10bn a year, compared to a little over £1bn a year for the EPL, and circa €3bn a year for the Champions League in its entirety, will be what they will be looking at replicating.  With top level European football having a larger global audience, these clubs might see that as a baseline of what they think they could achieve.

Step 3 - Implement salary cap and spending controls across the league.  With revenue more centralised and equally shared among a select group of clubs, and competitors leagues (domestic and continental) severely devalued, the power sits with the owners, and not the players/agents.  

Step 4 - Or maybe this would be step 3, but eradicate transfer fees as much as they can.  Not sure how that will ultimately be done, but if these clubs decide that they don't want to pay transfer fees any more, then the whole market crashes.  It all feeds down from them.  

End result, guaranteed profits and cash for ownership.  A product that they can tweak as they see fit to keep competitive and marketable, with little risk to members due to the closed door nature.  

It would be quite the reset for the overall game if they push on with it.  From a Scottish game perspective (the only one I'm particularly interested in), it shouldn't make a great deal of difference, other than it may curtail some of the revenue streams for the clubs who benefit from European competition.  The impact of that could be offset by the impact this will have right through the English game though.  

 

[Tord31]

17 minutes ago, Foster14 said:

That's the whole point of this, isn't it?  They are of the belief that they spend over the odds brings most of the money in to the game from the commercial side, but they don't get enough benefit out of it.  Managed poorly by organisations that are trying to appease everyone and not the "main attractions".

It's been on the cards for ages, the Champions League has largely become a closed shop in the latter stages, the same teams dominate all the domestic leagues and clubs are owned by venture capitalists and rich elites that have no historic connection to the location of the clubs.  

Step 1 - Create a super league that runs alongside domestic leagues - force leagues to accept or risk losing their pulling power.  Use domestic leagues as a reserve/feeder club into the main one.  

Step 2 - Commercialise the Super League to the hilt.  The NFL, which from this season has around 280 games a year, has just got a TV deal worth $10bn a year, compared to a little over £1bn a year for the EPL, and circa €3bn a year for the Champions League in its entirety, will be what they will be looking at replicating.  With top level European football having a larger global audience, these clubs might see that as a baseline of what they think they could achieve.

Step 3 - Implement salary cap and spending controls across the league.  With revenue more centralised and equally shared among a select group of clubs, and competitors leagues (domestic and continental) severely devalued, the power sits with the owners, and not the players/agents.  

Step 4 - Or maybe this would be step 3, but eradicate transfer fees as much as they can.  Not sure how that will ultimately be done, but if these clubs decide that they don't want to pay transfer fees any more, then the whole market crashes.  It all feeds down from them.  

End result, guaranteed profits and cash for ownership.  A product that they can tweak as they see fit to keep competitive and marketable, with little risk to members due to the closed door nature.  

It would be quite the reset for the overall game if they push on with it.  From a Scottish game perspective (the only one I'm particularly interested in), it shouldn't make a great deal of difference, other than it may curtail some of the revenue streams for the clubs who benefit from European competition.  The impact of that could be offset by the impact this will have right through the English game though.  

 

Good post.

It's going to be fascinating to see how this ends, and hopefully any outcome other than uefa and epl giving these six teams even more power/money in the current set up.

[Crossbow]

While I think the whole idea absurd - expecting the organisers to produce loads of meaningless games is also unlikely - I'd have thought three leagues of four teams - probably regionally based, home and away ties, with the winners and best runner up then going into a short cup competition to win the European SuperBowl. Most games will have some meaning and therefore be "attractive".

Bloody stupid idea but the fruit of the tree that the EPL, UEFA and Sky planted 

[Sonoftherock]

32 minutes ago, Foster14 said:

That's the whole point of this, isn't it?  They are of the belief that they spend over the odds brings most of the money in to the game from the commercial side, but they don't get enough benefit out of it.  Managed poorly by organisations that are trying to appease everyone and not the "main attractions".

It's been on the cards for ages, the Champions League has largely become a closed shop in the latter stages, the same teams dominate all the domestic leagues and clubs are owned by venture capitalists and rich elites that have no historic connection to the location of the clubs.  

Step 1 - Create a super league that runs alongside domestic leagues - force leagues to accept or risk losing their pulling power.  Use domestic leagues as a reserve/feeder club into the main one.  

Step 2 - Commercialise the Super League to the hilt.  The NFL, which from this season has around 280 games a year, has just got a TV deal worth $10bn a year, compared to a little over £1bn a year for the EPL, and circa €3bn a year for the Champions League in its entirety, will be what they will be looking at replicating.  With top level European football having a larger global audience, these clubs might see that as a baseline of what they think they could achieve.

Step 3 - Implement salary cap and spending controls across the league.  With revenue more centralised and equally shared among a select group of clubs, and competitors leagues (domestic and continental) severely devalued, the power sits with the owners, and not the players/agents.  

Step 4 - Or maybe this would be step 3, but eradicate transfer fees as much as they can.  Not sure how that will ultimately be done, but if these clubs decide that they don't want to pay transfer fees any more, then the whole market crashes.  It all feeds down from them.  

End result, guaranteed profits and cash for ownership.  A product that they can tweak as they see fit to keep competitive and marketable, with little risk to members due to the closed door nature.  

It would be quite the reset for the overall game if they push on with it.  From a Scottish game perspective (the only one I'm particularly interested in), it shouldn't make a great deal of difference, other than it may curtail some of the revenue streams for the clubs who benefit from European competition.  The impact of that could be offset by the impact this will have right through the English game though.  

 

Long term it will benefit us.  We were one of the first clubs to be marginalised by big business football.

Long term, this will have a massive impact on English football - from clubs like Everton/Leeds/Aston Villa... this will cascade through the english leagues, as investment inevitably tumbles.  In future years we should be able to compete more effectively financially, with League One and Championship clubs.

Domestically, Rangers and Celtic business model relies on the money generated from qualifying for the Champions League. If the Champions league becomes a second-rate competition, as someone put it, equivalent to the council Darts tournament that plays out on terrestrial TV every christmas, this will be a financial disaster for Celtic and Rangers.  Put simply, Rangers and Celtic face having one of their major revenue streams dramatically cut.  This will go some way to bridging the current chasm!

If you are an Aberdeen supporter, the European super league is brilliant news!

[Tord31]

19 minutes ago, Sonoftherock said:

Long term it will benefit us.  We were one of the first clubs to be marginalised by big business football.

Long term, this will have a massive impact on English football - from clubs like Everton/Leeds/Aston Villa... this will cascade through the english leagues, as investment inevitably tumbles.  In future years we should be able to compete more effectively financially, with League One and Championship clubs.

Domestically, Rangers and Celtic business model relies on the money generated from qualifying for the Champions League. If the Champions league becomes a second-rate competition, as someone put it, equivalent to the council Darts tournament that plays out on terrestrial TV every christmas, this will be a financial disaster for Celtic and Rangers.  Put simply, Rangers and Celtic face having one of their major revenue streams dramatically cut.  This will go some way to bridging the current chasm!

If you are an Aberdeen supporter, the European super league is brilliant news!

100% and as a very neutral football fan the epl and champions league have lost their excitement.

It's better telly and it's better for the Dons.

Bring it on.

Who the fuck cares about sheffield united

[thurso]

4 minutes ago, Tord31 said:

100% and as a very neutral football fan the epl and champions league have lost their excitement.

It's better telly and it's better for the Dons.

Bring it on.

Who the fuck cares about sheffield united

Plus 1 from me don’t care what the English do and how some teams down there will have their money drop 

[Ten Caat]

The best outcome for Aberdeen and for football in general is for 3 or 4 of these clubs to get bankrupted. And have the banks sell off every single asset they own to recover some of the debts....stadium, training sites, all the silverware. Gone. Finito. If they take a few sponsors or maybe even Sky Sports down along with them so much the better

No doubt some spivs would be along in short order to try to start them up anew. Perfect. Playing in a rented stadium at the absolute bottom rung of whichever country's set up they are playing in might concentrate a few minds. And we might even get some truths about whether they are the same club or not as their predecessors into the bargain.

[1903Fitba]

Few of my mates seem to think there will be points deducted this season. Backed Leicester on the exchange at 1000/1. 
 

Can’t see it myself like. Some bounce for them if that came in. 

[G31DON]

Once you have gone past Real, Barca, Liverpool, Man U, Man City, Juventus there starts to be a massive drop off.  AC Milan have done nothing for a decade, Inter aren't big worldwide afaik, Spurs - no trophies in 13 years, Arsenal not won the league in 18 years.

 

I think the German ownership model will prevent them joining even if they wanted to.  So who is making up the 20 teams, Porto, Sporting, Ajax, Zenit?  Who the fuck wants to watch Zenit v Arsenal or Porto v Inter in a league match?

 

 

[maryhilldon]

10 hours ago, Dons79 said:

Who is it Queen’s Park and who?

Queens Park v Huns.  Huns v Thistle is older as well. 

[maryhilldon]

Hilarious listening to the English moaning about integrity and fairness in football.  They're happy fucking over smaller countries leagues with the current European qualifying system,  now when it might go against their interests it's suddenly a huge problem and unacceptable?  Really hope it happens and the whole house of cards collapses.  Fuck 'em. 

[brownie]

8 hours ago, Sonoftherock said:

Don't think things will really change for us... we've already been left out in the cold, since the establishment of SKY, the EPL, etc.

Karma for a load of these diddy english clubs who're locked out of this one - the same ones who've been lording it up, during the SKY/EPL years, while laughing at Scottish football!  I can't wait for this super league!  Hopefully this destroys the EPL!   Will be absolutely hilarious if it does!

Bang on.

 

[RAZOR]

A true Hat legend appearing here 

 

[jamiesd]

Sky and the EPL will be absolutely shitting it.  Happy days.

[torry_battery_ram]

UEFA saying they will ban players from the 12 clubs from playing in this summer's Euros. That would mean Scotland would lose McTominay, Robertson and Tierney. 

[Torry Tosser]

2 hours ago, Tord31 said:

100% and as a very neutral football fan the epl and champions league have lost their excitement.

It's better telly and it's better for the Dons.

Bring it on.

Who the fuck cares about sheffield united

How about 30,000 Sheffield Utd fans for a start.

[Sonoftherock]

2 minutes ago, Torry Tosser said:

How about 30,000 Sheffield Utd fans for a start.

Fuck them. A nothing club who could afford to waste £20M on a donkey like McBurnie. Sum up everything that’s fucked up with English football. Hopefully they are about to get what’s been coming to them.

[Zeus]

European Super League - LOL

English Fitba - LOL

Hopefully both go tits up 

[Torry Tosser]

7 minutes ago, Dad said:

Simon Weston?

Daily Mirror asking Caprice what she thought...?

[Torry Tosser]

25 minutes ago, jamiesd said:

Sky and the EPL will be absolutely shitting it.  Happy days.

Fair play to Gary Neville who's Man Utd through and through,put the six clubs down to bottom of league and let them fight it oot for survival...

[Tord31]

15 minutes ago, Torry Tosser said:

How about 30,000 Sheffield Utd fans for a start.

 

13 minutes ago, Sonoftherock said:

Fuck them. A nothing club who could afford to waste £20M on a donkey like McBurnie. Sum up everything that’s fucked up with English football. Hopefully they are about to get what’s been coming to them.

The neutrals are more powerful than their fans.

Not only do I not want to watch them. I don't even want them to be on the tv guide.

[Lencarl]

Notice that some Scottish Football pundits spouting that The Rangers and Celtic will jump at the chance to be part of a European Super League.

Without doubt they would love to be part of it.

Will never happen, but if they applied to join the Super League both clubs should be relegated to 3rd Division immediately and banned from any Cup matches forever.  

 

[Sonoftherock]

2 minutes ago, Lencarl said:

Notice that some Scottish Football pundits spouting that The Rangers and Celtic will jump at the chance to be part of a European Super League.

Without doubt they would love to be part of it.

Will never happen, but if they applied to join the Super League both clubs should be relegated to 3rd Division immediately and banned from any Cup matches forever.  

 

They will be hitching their skirts up, like a pair of cheap prostitutes, at the first available opportunity.

[Zeus]

15 minutes ago, Sonoftherock said:

Fuck them. A nothing club who could afford to waste £20M on a donkey like McBurnie. Sum up everything that’s fucked up with English football. Hopefully they are about to get what’s been coming to them.

Correct. Boys Curtis Main levels of shite. 

Probably on silly money as well.

Nae sympathy 

 

[Tord31]

If @Aberdeenfootballclub get involved in this stupid 'this is football' social media postings this morning I will dock the club £50.

[Ke1t]

25 minutes ago, Lencarl said:

Notice that some Scottish Football pundits spouting that The Rangers and Celtic will jump at the chance to be part of a European Super League.

Without doubt they would love to be part of it.

Will never happen, but if they applied to join the Super League both clubs should be relegated to 3rd Division immediately and banned from any Cup matches forever.  

 

Most of us would jump at the chance of shagging Candice Swanepoel, but like Celtic and Sevco with the ESL, we're not on that list. 

 

[shut up meg]

6 hours ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said:

I am absolutely loving the English tears coming out of this Super League. Absolutely delicious.

English football sold its soul a couple of decades ago. The derbies dont mean anything anymore. The owners, the managers, the players, a large amount of the fans in the ground aren't local to the area and don't really know what it all means. The game was ruined by greed a long time ago, but now that it doesnt directly benefit England it is a problem and is pure greed. 

SUPERB

Aye, the 15-20 teams who clung onto the coat tails of the big 6 teams and shafted the smaller teams 30 years ago, now crying foul because the big teams are planning to fuck them over now.

Beautiful stuff, I hope they all crash and burn.

[Torry Tosser]

It want take off...Any betting by the bookies it want happen?

[maryhilldon]

They'll settle for 6 English clubs going straight into the CL last 16.  That would be a victory for fairness and sporting integrity. 

[Torry Tosser]

Mourhinio sacked by Spurs today for telling their owner it's shite idea.

How are Spurs classed as one of the 6,when last did they win anything.... Leicester could say they won league 4 year ago and now 4th in league..lol