starryfish Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 54 minutes ago, afc1903mad said: Not really. 18 months ago, Ramsay was still 16 and probably not physically ready. Even this year, i think the 1 year signing of Gurr was to allow cover. At the start of his breakthrough, Ramsay was struggling to last 90 minutes, although has made a steady improvement on that front, Cover last year and even this would have been good planning to manage his development and limit the risk of a breakdown Ramsay was on the first team bench in August 2019 so he was already highly thought of even then. Link to comment
Byrne Baby Byrne Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 20 minutes ago, Don_Corleone said: What’s everyone’s thoughts on MacKenzie… arguably he’s been just as good as Ramsay this season. He’s possibly better defensively and does seem quite effective going forward - he just lacks the same pace and maybe the confidence to beat his man every time. I know he is 2-3 years older as well. Does he have the potential to get a move and play at a higher level as well, or is he going to just end up as a good SPL level player? I think he's decent but Ramsay's ceiling is way higher. Ramsay looks like his potential could be 75+ Scotland caps and playing for an established top English/European team. McKenzie looks more like a run your contract down, move to Blackburn, move to Preston then move to Hibs while collecting around 7 caps. Which is better than most players from our youth system and would return a healthy bank balance Link to comment
Millertime Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Redmist1903 said: Yeah but Derek was the manager so he never had a chance. Mckenna, Frank Ross, Danny Rogers, ethan ross, Dean campbell, Bruce Anderson , nicky low Link to comment
Millertime Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 53 minutes ago, Don_Corleone said: What’s everyone’s thoughts on MacKenzie… arguably he’s been just as good as Ramsay this season. He’s possibly better defensively and does seem quite effective going forward - he just lacks the same pace and maybe the confidence to beat his man every time. I know he is 2-3 years older as well. Does he have the potential to get a move and play at a higher level as well, or is he going to just end up as a good SPL level player? Yep I think he could be the surprise and go onto a better career He is absolutely solid, which I love Link to comment
Millertime Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 34 minutes ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said: I think he's decent but Ramsay's ceiling is way higher. Ramsay looks like his potential could be 75+ Scotland caps and playing for an established top English/European team. McKenzie looks more like a run your contract down, move to Blackburn, move to Preston then move to Hibs while collecting around 7 caps. Which is better than most players from our youth system and would return a healthy bank balance I think you're wrong Link to comment
Byrne Baby Byrne Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 10 minutes ago, Millertime said: I think you're wrong I hope so babes x 1 Link to comment
Durrant Dived Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 18 minutes ago, Millertime said: Mckenna, Frank Ross, Danny Rogers, ethan ross, Dean campbell, Bruce Anderson , nicky low So you think mcinnes gave all of above a fair chance? LOL 2 Link to comment
shut up meg Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, Durrant Dived said: So you think mcinnes gave all of above a fair chance? LOL Of course, Nicky Low got something like 300 minutes in 50 appearances for the Dons. Link to comment
afc1903mad Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 1 hour ago, starryfish said: Ramsay was on the first team bench in August 2019 so he was already highly thought of even then. What does that mean? August, so probably trying to send a message to the chairman that the squad depth was limited whilst at the same time allowing a young prospect the experience of being with the first team wither realistically getting a chance to play. On the bench against Hearts in August 2019, but not seen in the squad for the remainder of the season. He didn't suddenly get shit then so I think it was a calculated plan. Link to comment
StandFree1982 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 20 minutes ago, Millertime said: Mckenna, Frank Ross, Danny Rogers, ethan ross, Dean campbell, Bruce Anderson , nicky low, Mckenna - Yes Campbell - Yes Low - barely. the rest NO. Link to comment
Byrne Baby Byrne Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 34 minutes ago, Millertime said: Mckenna, Frank Ross, Danny Rogers, ethan ross, Dean campbell, Bruce Anderson , nicky low 14 minutes ago, Durrant Dived said: So you think mcinnes gave all of above a fair chance? LOL 2 minutes ago, StandFree1982 said: Mckenna - Yes Campbell - Yes Low - barely. the rest NO. Well, they sure did prove McInnes wrong. Incredible he denied these immense talents regular starts. The ones who never made it weren't good enough. That's not on McInnes. Only ones I'd give a shout to aren't listed... Michael Rose should have got more of an opportunity and maybe Daniel Harvie Link to comment
StandFree1982 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, shut up meg said: Of course, Nicky Low got something like 300 minutes in 50 appearances for the Dons. 1100 minutes in 39 games. according to transfermarkt.com Link to comment
Redmist1903 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 39 minutes ago, Millertime said: Mckenna, Frank Ross, Danny Rogers, ethan ross, Dean campbell, Bruce Anderson , nicky low I'd give you Mckenna but even that was an accident. Link to comment
StandFree1982 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 8 minutes ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said: Well, they sure did prove McInnes wrong. Incredible he denied these immense talents regular starts. The ones who never made it weren't good enough. That's not on McInnes. Only ones I'd give a shout to aren't listed... Michael Rose should have got more of an opportunity and maybe Daniel Harvie I don't think that was really the point. His point was about giving youth a chance, and ended up pointing out a list of players who most weren't given any chance at all. (rightly or wrongly). Link to comment
StandFree1982 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, Redmist1903 said: I'd give you Mckenna but even that was an accident. Come on now. "an accident"?! Wasn't like he accidently named the wrong player, put McKennas name on the 11 rather than someone else. He was in there because a) the current back 2 were shite and b) McInnes must have thought he was ready. Link to comment
Joe pike Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 11 minutes ago, StandFree1982 said: Come on now. "an accident"?! Wasn't like he accidently named the wrong player, put McKennas name on the 11 rather than someone else. He was in there because a) the current back 2 were shite and b) McInnes must have thought he was ready. More or less. The back 2 were totally shite and still he did'nt give McKenna a chance. Only when we got totally horsed by Motherwell in the cup did he give him a game. That was the following week against Motherwell again when we beat them Don't think McKenna was dropped again after that. Link to comment
Byrne Baby Byrne Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 30 minutes ago, Redmist1903 said: I'd give you Mckenna but even that was an accident. Hahahaha the lengths folk will go not to give McInnes any credit 28 minutes ago, StandFree1982 said: I don't think that was really the point. His point was about giving youth a chance, and ended up pointing out a list of players who most weren't given any chance at all. (rightly or wrongly). Most of those players did get a chance though. He just judged them not to be good enough once they had their chance.... and for the most part appeared to be right. Ethan Ross and Bruce Anderson probably should have got a few more games... it's up to them to prove they were up to it away from Aberdeen Link to comment
NEM Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 50 minutes ago, StandFree1982 said: Come on now. "an accident"?! Wasn't like he accidently named the wrong player, put McKennas name on the 11 rather than someone else. He was in there because a) the current back 2 were shite and b) McInnes must have thought he was ready. If McKenna's phone hadn't been switched off while he was golfing he'd have been away to Livingston on loan the season he broke through 1 Link to comment
Redmist1903 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 34 minutes ago, StandFree1982 said: Come on now. "an accident"?! Wasn't like he accidently named the wrong player, put McKennas name on the 11 rather than someone else. He was in there because a) the current back 2 were shite and b) McInnes must have thought he was ready. Would McInnes think Ramsey or McKenzie were ready to be regular first team starters if he was here now? I'm thinking he'd have McCrorie right back and a Greg Leigh type left back. Link to comment
Andy_123 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 What a poor list of players to use to try and prove McInnes gave youth a decent chance in his time here. McKenna, Campbell, Low - yes Frank Ross (he was injured a fair bit wasn't he?), Rogers, Ethan Ross, Bruce Anderson - no And as mentioned there are plenty other examples. Michael Rose, Jack McKenzie... 2 more no's for players who have since proved they aren't useless and should have had more of a chance while they were here. He was terrible for giving youngsters a chance. 3 Link to comment
Byrne Baby Byrne Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 13 minutes ago, Redmist1903 said: Would McInnes think Ramsey or McKenzie were ready to be regular first team starters if he was here now? I'm thinking he'd have McCrorie right back and a Greg Leigh type left back. The Greg Leigh type would actually be Greg Leigh though wouldnt it. On a short term contract, renewed 3 times during the season. Making 8 appearances 1 Link to comment
StandFree1982 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 You could argue about all this till the cows come home, but the hard reality is this - He's gone and it doesn't matter thinking "What would Derek do" with regards to players now. Back on topic - Ramsey to Everton on paper would be a decent move for him, but in reality, he'd likely not be anywhere near the first team and spent a year playing reserve football, or loaned out maybe. He's maybe better going down the Fraser route and plying his trade at a smaller, lower division club with more chance of game time and experience. Link to comment
shut up meg Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 1 hour ago, StandFree1982 said: 1100 minutes in 39 games. according to transfermarkt.com My mistake, what was Cammy Smiths stats. Link to comment
thurso Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 6 hours ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said: Fair point from thurso - at last ? Everyone is comparing him to Patterson but Celtic got 11 million from Leverkusen for fitshisface. Admittedly Celtic have plenty more in the bank than us so dont have to sell cheap..... but he didnt appear to be worth anything like that I think you will find my points are always fair it’s just you don’t agree with some ?? Link to comment
Millertime Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Durrant Dived said: So you think mcinnes gave all of above a fair chance? LOL Yep Name one who has went on to better things since us deciding he wasn't good enough Anderson MAYBE, but early days Link to comment
Millertime Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said: Well, they sure did prove McInnes wrong. Incredible he denied these immense talents regular starts. The ones who never made it weren't good enough. That's not on McInnes. Only ones I'd give a shout to aren't listed... Michael Rose should have got more of an opportunity and maybe Daniel Harvie Was harvie not a complete cretin? Link to comment
Millertime Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 2 hours ago, shut up meg said: Of course, Nicky Low got something like 300 minutes in 50 appearances for the Dons. Try 1100 mins in 39 games, including a cup final Link to comment
Millertime Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Redmist1903 said: I'd give you Mckenna but even that was an accident. There's only so much I can police Link to comment
Hoofball Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 39 minutes ago, StandFree1982 said: You could argue about all this till the cows come home, but the hard reality is this - He's gone and it doesn't matter thinking "What would Derek do" with regards to players now. Back on topic - Ramsey to Everton on paper would be a decent move for him, but in reality, he'd likely not be anywhere near the first team and spent a year playing reserve football, or loaned out maybe. He's maybe better going down the Fraser route and plying his trade at a smaller, lower division club with more chance of game time and experience. Everton only have 32 year old Seamus Coleman at RB, Godfrey and Holgate (both CBs) had to play at RB last season so I wouldn’t be expecting Ramsey to be shipped out on loan if Everton did sign him. He’d make the bench most weeks and play in the cup games, that wouldn’t be a bad thing especially when being coached by Benitez Link to comment
shut up meg Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, Millertime said: Try 1100 mins in 39 games, including a cup final I see you are back to playing this silly game again. Copying other posts and questions, questions, questions. Link to comment
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