Calvin Ramsay

[Millertime]

1 minute ago, thurso said:

If we could keep ramsay for another 2 years so he leaves the same age as Patterson is now, id fully expect to get a fee the same as the rangers are getting for  Patterson 

Lol

You've lost 

[Millertime]

1 minute ago, fine-n-dandy said:

I actually thought Traverniers first name was Paul or something because every time you saw his name listed on scoresheet for them it always said Travernier (P) 

You've messed that up

[afc1903mad]

1 minute ago, fine-n-dandy said:

I actually thought Traverniers first name was Paul or something because every time you saw his name listed on scoresheet for them it always said Travernier (P) 

HeHeHE

[fine-n-dandy]

15 minutes ago, Millertime said:

Here's a stat

Patterson averages a goal at club level every 11.5 games and national level 1 in 7

Ramsay averages 0 in both

& Patterson has been played in more advanced roles (as right winger) at times in both club & National levels because of his defensive weaknesses. 
 

Ramsay hasn’t had this luxury & is expected to do the complete full back role.

 

Also how do their assists stats compare? Which is far more important than the odd goal for FB’s

[bonzodaddy73]

Why is anyone even engaging with that weegie hun spastic, mods should be banning such a hun loving prick.

[thurso]

7 minutes ago, Millertime said:

Lol

You've lost 

Iv lost what. 
 

pretty sure you’ve lost the plot. 

[fine-n-dandy]

5 minutes ago, Millertime said:

You've messed that up

Why, because I didn’t say Tav?

 

I know he is Tavernier but I was tempting you out so you couldn’t ignore it ?

[Geoff_Tipps]

What's with the Rangers player debate, why are so many of our fans obsessed with Rangers? Fucking embarrassing.

They are all cunts and that's all that needs said. 

[fine-n-dandy]

22 minutes ago, Millertime said:

Here's a stat

Patterson averages a goal at club level every 11.5 games and national level 1 in 7

Ramsay averages 0 in both

Shay Logan (until his last season with us getting games) averaged a goal every 11 games. Whilst Logan wasn’t good enough to get caps for England to boost his international stats v Moldova & Faroe isles etc. ?
 

FB’s chipping in with the odd goal is a bonus yes but a FB’s most important duty is to defend & assist in attacks/goals

 

Patterson has played as winger for both Scotland & Sevco at times also

[Ten Caat]

 

48 minutes ago, afc1903mad said:

Its a great deal for their back-up, but there will come a time in the next season or two that they will need to consider a replacement RB / RWB.

It seems like GVB may have already been looking to accommodate with Tavernier playing in a back 3 and Patterson further forward, but they now need to look at alternatives.

How much of the £12M will they need to spend to get a replacement in.

 

They have a young loon called Adam Devine, but he's older than Ramsay and behind him in terms of playing through the Scottish Youth Internationals i.e. Ramsay has played up ahead of the boy Devine.

So straight off, their succession plan is weaker

Ex sevconian Alex Rae quoting tonight on the tranny that it's £9million up front with another £1million per year over the next 4 years based on making a set minimum amount of appearances per year and a possible further £3 million in bonus payments based on other achievements

[aberdeen1970]

Just now, Ten Caat said:

 

Ex sevconian Alex Rae quoting tonight on the tranny that it's £9million up front with another £1million per year over the next 4 years based on making a set minimum amount of appearances per year and a possible further £3 million in bonus payments based on other achievements

 

It'll be quoted as 16m for ever more though. 

[fine-n-dandy]

11 minutes ago, Geoff_Tipps said:

What's with the Rangers player debate, why are so many of our fans obsessed with Rangers? Fucking embarrassing.

They are all cunts and that's all that needs said. 

Because they have just sold a pretty similar (but not as good) young RB to what we have & we are likely in process of selling ours. Do you not think this will generate comparisons chat? 
 

You are potentially the one than is making it about ‘Sevco’ by making out it isn’t about the genuine comparisons with actual players.

 

If it was Hearts that just sold Patterson we would be still discussing Patterson & Hearts ? but MT isn’t as much a Hearts cunt so he wouldn’t be contributing as much admittedly

[Dom Sullivan]

2 hours ago, Millertime said:

Well, yeah they needed 7m to get to the end of the season

4.5 though has been gotten from Gerrard leaving

We need them to not win the league this season as the champs league money will officially mean they are back

Back??

I know you’re fishing Frankie but Rangers died on 14 February 2012 as you well know.

New club, admitted to the league without the proper credentials, as you well know.

Impossible to be “back”.

 

[afc1903mad]

13 minutes ago, Ten Caat said:

 

Ex sevconian Alex Rae quoting tonight on the tranny that it's £9million up front with another £1million per year over the next 4 years based on making a set minimum amount of appearances per year and a possible further £3 million in bonus payments based on other achievements

Who to believe then?

Other sources said the add-ons were reduced to provide a more up front fee

[fine-n-dandy]

Back on subject of what we could/should accept for Ramsay. 
My humble opinion would be £6-7m Now minimum.  Loan back for remainder of season & at least a 20% sell on (not up for negotiations downwards) & also add ons for international caps & then appearances for new club from next season. 
 

I do not think that is unreasonable from either side.

 

Add in European appearances add ons depending on buying clubs potential for qualifying for European football. Possibly also add ons for assists if he gets 10+ in a season at new club ?

[fine-n-dandy]

Say Newcastle sign him & loan him back for remainder of season & then manage to stay up for next season ?

[WesthillWanderersFC]

18 minutes ago, fine-n-dandy said:

Say Newcastle sign him & loan him back for remainder of season & then manage to stay up for next season ?

Newcastle are signing Kieran Trippier from Atletico Madrid. 

[fine-n-dandy]

7 minutes ago, WesthillWanderersFC said:

Newcastle are signing Kieran Trippier from Atletico Madrid. 

All the more reason they can loan Ramsay back until later when Trippier turns out not as good & becomes Ramsay’s back up ?

[Millertime]

1 hour ago, Dom Sullivan said:

Back??

I know you’re fishing Frankie but Rangers died on 14 February 2012 as you well know.

New club, admitted to the league without the proper credentials, as you well know.

Impossible to be “back”.

 

I didn't mean the club, just their financial position,  to clarify

They need director loans season on season to survive, Patterson money and 30m for champs league would have them financially sorted

[Bournemouth Gee]

No it wouldn't

[Millertime]

1 minute ago, Bournemouth Gee said:

No it wouldn't

You don't think 40m would have them on an even keel financially?

[Dons79]

2 hours ago, Millertime said:

Qualifying for the automatic champs league is all they care about

They have received 10 to 16m and it hasn't remotely weakened their first team

Incredible business 

It has you know?, can tavernier not get injured?,so while selling one of there prised assets,one for the future while the green Huns strengthen hasn’t got any relevance for future title wins?including this season as it’s only the winner that gets automatic qualification. There banking on them winning this title, not exactly great business acumen is it?, closing their eyes and hoping?

[Millertime]

7 minutes ago, Dons79 said:

It has you know?, can tavernier not get injured?,so while selling one of there prised assets,one for the future while the green Huns strengthen hasn’t got any relevance for future title wins?including this season as it’s only the winner that gets automatic qualification. There banking on them winning this title, not exactly great business acumen is it?, closing their eyes and hoping?

Worked pretty well for then with their euro run last season 

[Watson Oh The Bar! Scanlon Yes!]

30 minutes ago, Millertime said:

You don't think 40m would have them on an even keel financially?

It depends really.

with net current liabilities of a tad over £40m as of June last year, and in all likelihood growing in scale since then, champions league prize money plus 10m assuming no significant outlays this transfer window, would in all likelihood put them on an even keel in the short term.

with a business model that has accrued net losses of £87m since roughly 2012, then it’s a model that needs year on year champions league group cash to sustain the business really….or to sell 1-2 Pattersons each year….depending on how much they want to reinvest in transfer cash.

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Millertime said:

Worked pretty well for us with our euro run last season 

Fixed that for you 

 

??

[Millertime]

7 minutes ago, Watson Oh The Bar! Scanlon Yes! said:

It depends really.

with net current liabilities of a tad over £40m as of June last year, and in all likelihood growing in scale since then, champions league prize money plus 10m assuming no significant outlays this transfer window, would in all likelihood put them on an even keel in the short term.

with a business model that has accrued net losses of £87m since roughly 2012, then it’s a model that needs year on year champions league group cash to sustain the business really….or to sell 1-2 Pattersons each year….depending on how much they want to reinvest in transfer cash.

Yeah but surely that is their model

Do what celtic do

Sell a van dijk,  edouard,  Tierney every year 

The problem they and celtic have is wanting to be champions league clubs, like those in England but they don't have the TV money English clubs have 

[Watson Oh The Bar! Scanlon Yes!]

12 minutes ago, Millertime said:

Yeah but surely that is their model

Do what celtic do

Sell a van dijk,  edouard,  Tierney every year 

The problem they and celtic have is wanting to be champions league clubs, like those in England but they don't have the TV money English clubs have 

There’s huge pressure on those two to access champions league cash that’s for sure given the massive difference in tv income.

celtic budget much more conservatively, sometimes to the consternation of their fans and stakeholders, generally budgeting for final place in the Europa league and the comparative crumbs that leaves vs champions league. 

that has left celtic in a decent position financially, with net current liabilities of c£5m in June last year.

rangers by comparison had to gamble to stop 10 in a row. They’ve done that and achieved what they needed to do in the short term, but it leaves them in a position where they need to roll some sixes for the next 3-4 years.

the other answer is fresh equity.

[afc1903mad]

14 minutes ago, Millertime said:

Yeah but surely that is their model

Do what celtic do

Sell a van dijk,  edouard,  Tierney every year 

The problem they and celtic have is wanting to be champions league clubs, like those in England but they don't have the TV money English clubs have 

I've not looked at Celtics accounts, but would think that as they've been successful over a number of years, they have a bit more in the bank to cater for missing out a season or two.

SevCo's accounts definitely appear to be unsustainable unless the get a good European run or can start selling players.

Surely the model for the last 9 years has been a gamble and it can't be sustainable long term

[Millertime]

18 minutes ago, Watson Oh The Bar! Scanlon Yes! said:

There’s huge pressure on those two to access champions league cash that’s for sure given the massive difference in tv income.

celtic budget much more conservatively, sometimes to the consternation of their fans and stakeholders, generally budgeting for final place in the Europa league and the comparative crumbs that leaves vs champions league. 

that has left celtic in a decent position financially, with net current liabilities of c£5m in June last year.

rangers by comparison had to gamble to stop 10 in a row. They’ve done that and achieved what they needed to do in the short term, but it leaves them in a position where they need to roll some sixes for the next 3-4 years.

the other answer is fresh equity.

This has been a lovely exchange 

Plenty others should take note

Have a good evening 

[Millertime]

18 minutes ago, afc1903mad said:

I've not looked at Celtics accounts, but would think that as they've been successful over a number of years, they have a bit more in the bank to cater for missing out a season or two.

SevCo's accounts definitely appear to be unsustainable unless the get a good European run or can start selling players.

Surely the model for the last 9 years has been a gamble and it can't be sustainable long term

Is it that you cant, or won't listen

We have went over this already

Are you lonely ?