Byrne Baby Byrne Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 2 hours ago, muttonhumper said: It was money I recall we would have more than recouped if we actually kept him that next season. Given: We shipped 20 more goals in the league the season he was gone Hemorrhaged 4 in that catastrophic LC semi final at Tynecastle v Dundee Utd Let another 4 past us in the Scottish Cup semi-final v Queen of the fucking South Failed to qualify for Europe The first factor is the most telling, but even if we had bettered any one of the other three, we'd have made more than the 3/4 million or whatever it was we actually received. So losing him for 1 season for that amount of dosh given the effect it had on our defence was very much a shite deal for us. As I said at the time, though you're not likely to recall my opinion on the matter from 15 odd years ago... ? You know what, I’ve never thought about that before. and my life was more enjoyable before I did. there is not a chance those semi finals would have gone like that with Anderson playing. That was a Scottish cup that was definitely there for the taking as well. im sure he would have enjoyed the European run more than 1 appearance for Sunderland as well. 1 more season and lose him on a bosman could have been prolific. fuck you for this thought process muttonhumper. It’s horrible and it’s accurate 1 Link to comment
Ramandu Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 On 5/11/2022 at 8:34 AM, sooth_stander said: It makes me laugh how just cos your at a perceived bigger club, like the cheeks, your transfer value is automatically increased, even if you’ve played less games and even if your a lesser talent. Anyone explain that one to be? I tried to explain the concept of arbitrage on here a while ago, but everyone's an idiot, so it wasn't a success. Link to comment
fine-n-dandy Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 Alexander Arnold is basically an older version of Ramsay. Can see why Liverpool want him. Decent going forward & great delivery/assists but defensively the weaker side of his game. Just shows how decent team with decent CH’s can cover this & allow the FB’s to be a lot more creative like wing backs Link to comment
JamieMT Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 Hickey apparently on his way to Arsenal for up to €25m, with Hearts set to pocket £3m. Important we get top Dollar for Ramsay (and Ferguson), but equally that we insert a generous release clause into any sale. Link to comment
fine-n-dandy Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 If he goes to Liverpool then a sell on clause is pretty much next to useless, so we need to maximise the sale to Liverpool in upfront & other clauses. if he bombs there they sell him for a meagre amount or release him & if he doesn’t bomb they keep him. Link to comment
Hoofball Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 Just now, fine-n-dandy said: If he goes to Liverpool then a sell on clause is pretty much next to useless, so we need to maximise the sale to Liverpool in upfront & other clauses. if he bombs there they sell him for a meagre amount or release him & if he doesn’t bomb they keep him. That’s not the case with Neco Williams who Ramsay would replace. He got fed up being a bit part player and is currently out on loan and will be sold in the summer for a reported 10 million plus so a sell on is not useless Link to comment
fine-n-dandy Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Hoofball said: That’s not the case with Neco Williams who Ramsay would replace. He got fed up being a bit part player and is currently out on loan and will be sold in the summer for a reported 10 million plus so a sell on is not useless So if we got £3m from Leeds (for example) & he’s a success he gets sold for a lot more than he would for bombing at Liverpool. my point is that better chance of bigger sell on value if he doesn’t got straight to a top club. Link to comment
thurso Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 8 hours ago, fine-n-dandy said: If he goes to Liverpool then a sell on clause is pretty much next to useless, so we need to maximise the sale to Liverpool in upfront & other clauses. if he bombs there they sell him for a meagre amount or release him & if he doesn’t bomb they keep him. For once you’ve talked sense. The fee should all be upfront in my opinion Link to comment
slippers Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 14 minutes ago, thurso said: For once you’ve talked sense. The fee should all be upfront in my opinion I dont mind their being add ons to deal providing the upfront fee is at a decent level. Papers said it was 3m a few weeks ago now saying around 4m. hopefully its at very least over 5m by time its actually announced. The add ons have to be achievable though. 1m for 30 starts at Liverpool, 1m for 20 international caps, 1m for champions league win, 1m for EPL win etc. Know exactly what your saying about sell on but its going to be tough for him to turn down Liverpool its better having the clause than not just incase but hypothetically if it was the difference between another 2m upfront or 20% sell on id probably take the 2m now. Link to comment
thurso Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, slippers said: I dont mind their being add ons to deal providing the upfront fee is at a decent level. Papers said it was 3m a few weeks ago now saying around 4m. hopefully its at very least over 5m by time its actually announced. The add ons have to be achievable though. 1m for 30 starts at Liverpool, 1m for 20 international caps, 1m for champions league win, 1m for EPL win etc. Know exactly what your saying about sell on but its going to be tough for him to turn down Liverpool its better having the clause than not just incase but hypothetically if it was the difference between another 2m upfront or 20% sell on id probably take the 2m now. I agree with what your saying but for me even £5 million up front is to low but it should be performance add ons not sell on % Link to comment
slippers Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, thurso said: I agree with what your saying but for me even £5 million up front is to low but it should be performance add ons not sell on % I agree if we cant get more than 4m for Ramsay I really worry what we will get for Ferguson. Link to comment
thurso Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, slippers said: I agree if we cant get more than 4m for Ramsay I really worry what we will get for Ferguson. Exactly. Or any other player we end up selling Link to comment
Hoofball Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 7 hours ago, fine-n-dandy said: So if we got £3m from Leeds (for example) & he’s a success he gets sold for a lot more than he would for bombing at Liverpool. my point is that better chance of bigger sell on value if he doesn’t got straight to a top club. But if he bombs at Leeds you still get fuck all. You can’t demand a player doesn’t join a top club just because the selling club may make more money in the future from a sell on Link to comment
Hoofball Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 56 minutes ago, thurso said: I agree with what your saying but for me even £5 million up front is to low but it should be performance add ons not sell on % A 21 year old Welsh international with over 10 caps, EPL and champions league experience is valued at 10-12 million so what do you value Ramsay at Link to comment
Torry Tosser Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 Deals off....According to Silvia the teawifee at Pittodrie. Link to comment
minijc Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 9 minutes ago, Torry Tosser said: Deals off....According to Silvia the teawifee at Pittodrie. I wish you were off. 3 Link to comment
Torry Tosser Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, minijc said: I wish you were off. Oh you rough butch boy you.? Link to comment
thurso Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Hoofball said: A 21 year old Welsh international with over 10 caps, EPL and champions league experience is valued at 10-12 million so what do you value Ramsay at £10 million. Not sure what having champions league experience has to do with it Jay Emmanuel Thomas had that did he not 1 Link to comment
Torry Tosser Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 7 minutes ago, minijc said: I wish you were off. You talk shite,your wee pals on here going Mini's in the know....lol The Swedish Goalkeeper on trial wis on Football Insider weeks ago.? Link to comment
minijc Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, Torry Tosser said: You talk shite,your wee pals on here going Mini's in the know....lol The Swedish Goalkeeper on trial wis on Football Insider weeks ago.? da greet, wince! Link to comment
Hoofball Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 17 minutes ago, thurso said: £10 million. Not sure what having champions league experience has to do with it Jay Emmanuel Thomas had that did he not So you expect Liverpool to sell an international player with more experience not only in the EPL but also champions league and sign Ramsay for the same price who has no international caps, EPL or champion league experience. Good luck with that. What has JET got to do with anything Link to comment
Hoofball Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, Bournemouth Gee said: Better attempt and more movement than the cunt Glass gave a two year contract too Link to comment
slippers Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 29 minutes ago, Hoofball said: So you expect Liverpool to sell an international player with more experience not only in the EPL but also champions league and sign Ramsay for the same price who has no international caps, EPL or champion league experience. Good luck with that. What has JET got to do with anything Hes just turned 18. Obviously someone 3 years older will have more accolades. We are selling him on potential to Liverpool who obviously feel he has a higher ceiling than the welsh guy. Should definitely be looking at more than 4m upfront thats for sure! Link to comment
Ten Caat Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 12 minutes ago, slippers said: Hes just turned 18. Obviously someone 3 years older will have more accolades. We are selling him on potential to Liverpool who obviously feel he has a higher ceiling than the welsh guy. Should definitely be looking at more than 4m upfront thats for sure! Do they? The Welsh loon wants away to play regularly. He's already set up for life financially so can afford to take his chances on a regular starting place elsewhere. With 10 full caps to his name, he shouldn't find it that hard to do so. Liverpool...or any team interested for that matter.....would be taking a complete punt on Ramsay. He may well prove in future to have a very high ceiling but right now, as you correctly say, he is pure potential. And it can't be disputed that right now he does have some major defensive frailties. Now that probably won't put them off because TA-A is in exactly the same boat but they can live with it because of his attacking upside. Sadly we are a provincial side though. If Ramsay had been at one of the arse cheeks they'd probably get double what we can expect to get. Even if he had been an English prospect in EFL1 he'd probably go for a bit more than we will get. Sadly that's reality. Achieveable add-ons are the best hope we have of squeezing more value out him. 1 Link to comment
thurso Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 58 minutes ago, Hoofball said: So you expect Liverpool to sell an international player with more experience not only in the EPL but also champions league and sign Ramsay for the same price who has no international caps, EPL or champion league experience. Good luck with that. What has JET got to do with anything I don’t think it matters what experience he has it’s how good he is. Jet played in the champions league Link to comment
Dons79 Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 Not in team sheet again, he’s been told by a prospective buyer not to play for fear of injury Link to comment
Hoofball Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 21 minutes ago, thurso said: I don’t think it matters what experience he has it’s how good he is. Jet played in the champions league Jet never had the career Williams has had and Williams is 10 years younger so don’t see any comparison here Link to comment
TheRedPrawcess Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 27 minutes ago, Ten Caat said: Do they? The Welsh loon wants away to play regularly. He's already set up for life financially so can afford to take his chances on a regular starting place elsewhere. With 10 full caps to his name, he shouldn't find it that hard to do so. Liverpool...or any team interested for that matter.....would be taking a complete punt on Ramsay. He may well prove in future to have a very high ceiling but right now, as you correctly say, he is pure potential. And it can't be disputed that right now he does have some major defensive frailties. Now that probably won't put them off because TA-A is in exactly the same boat but they can live with it because of his attacking upside. Sadly we are a provincial side though. If Ramsay had been at one of the arse cheeks they'd probably get double what we can expect to get. Even if he had been an English prospect in EFL1 he'd probably go for a bit more than we will get. Sadly that's reality. Achieveable add-ons are the best hope we have of squeezing more value out him. Spot on Link to comment
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