Calvin Ramsay

[aberdeen1970]

32 minutes ago, fine-n-dandy said:

They’re basically speculating to accumulate. 
Good FB’s are a pretty rare breed & very sought after. 
They will likely assess them all. Keep best two & punt any spares for profit.

Makes perfect sense for bigger sides that can afford to do so.

Liverpool have got more than 50 players in their under 23 squad. 

Chelsea have even more than that. 

These clubs can afford to stockpile young players. Keep them for a few years and they count as home grown. 

If they make it, brilliant.  If not then they can sell enough on at a decent profit to make the whole u23 system sustainable. 

 

[RabidGiraffe]

1 hour ago, aberdeen1970 said:

Liverpool have got more than 50 players in their under 23 squad. 

Chelsea have even more than that. 

These clubs can afford to stockpile young players. Keep them for a few years and they count as home grown. 

If they make it, brilliant.  If not then they can sell enough on at a decent profit to make the whole u23 system sustainable. 

 

This bothers me.  If those players were actually getting game time in a first team anywhere they would develop better.  When you do see some of the EPL u23s going out on loan (e.g. Jenks, Longstaff, etc) it is obvious they've never played first team football.  Most of them don't make it past the u23 level but still potentially leave the game with a tidy bank account, if they haven't blown it on cars, drugs and hookers.  The big clubs make their money back through loan fees and sales of the decent players.  Few make it to their first teams.  If these clubs didn't stockpile these players then there would be a better chance of them making it at clubs further down the divisions, improving their chances and the fortunes of those clubs they play for.

I've seen numerous claims that the problem is the number of players a team can loan in.  If you flip that and limit the number of players a team can loan out, then it could prevent rich clubs from stockpiling talent which would then go on to develop at "smaller" clubs, improving the players chance of making it, their clubs' chance of making better money, and the quality on play on show at stadiums around the continent.

[aberdeen1970]

1 hour ago, RabidGiraffe said:

This bothers me.  If those players were actually getting game time in a first team anywhere they would develop better.  When you do see some of the EPL u23s going out on loan (e.g. Jenks, Longstaff, etc) it is obvious they've never played first team football.  Most of them don't make it past the u23 level but still potentially leave the game with a tidy bank account, if they haven't blown it on cars, drugs and hookers.  The big clubs make their money back through loan fees and sales of the decent players.  Few make it to their first teams.  If these clubs didn't stockpile these players then there would be a better chance of them making it at clubs further down the divisions, improving their chances and the fortunes of those clubs they play for.

I've seen numerous claims that the problem is the number of players a team can loan in.  If you flip that and limit the number of players a team can loan out, then it could prevent rich clubs from stockpiling talent which would then go on to develop at "smaller" clubs, improving the players chance of making it, their clubs' chance of making better money, and the quality on play on show at stadiums around the continent.

Aye, big clubs stockpiling talent just dilutes the quality at the next level of competition below.  

It's the modern football way, the rich get richer and the divide gets bigger every year 

 

[fine-n-dandy]

Should definitely be a rule introduced to reduce the squad numbers that teams can have. Regardless of age. As soon as they are old enough to sign a pro contract. 
Fair enough teams having as many U16’s/18’s maybe but once they pass 18, clubs should be limited on numbers to prevent stock piling & stalling young players progress. 
 

Fact that bigger clubs can easily afford to pay players they don’t really need so much more than clubs like us means we are completely priced out of a better quality market & this is what is helping to reduce quality in so many ‘less attractive’ countries leagues. 
 

UEFA should be cracking down on it but they don’t give a shite as long as the ‘more attractive’ countries big leagues are kept happy.  England, France,Germany, Spain, Italy & Portugal/Netherlands etc.

[Torry Tosser]

Bologna coming back for him.

[shooftahmooftah]

5 minutes ago, Torry Tosser said:

Bologna coming back for him.

What are the offering  Bologna sausages. 

[Torry Tosser]

It was over 4 mill in January ?

[NEM]

9 minutes ago, Torry Tosser said:

Bologna coming back for him.

A tired act ?

[Torry Tosser]

18 minutes ago, NEM said:

A tired act ?

According to reports today.?

[Kiriakov33]

On 5/20/2022 at 5:13 PM, aberdeen1970 said:

Liverpool have got more than 50 players in their under 23 squad. 

Chelsea have even more than that. 

These clubs can afford to stockpile young players. Keep them for a few years and they count as home grown. 

If they make it, brilliant.  If not then they can sell enough on at a decent profit to make the whole u23 system sustainable. 

 

According to the report that we going to be one of Juventus feeder clubs,  they have 123 players between first team and u23s . The game is truly f@cked 

[Don_Corleone]

18 minutes ago, Kiriakov33 said:

According to the report that we going to be one of Juventus feeder clubs,  they have 123 players between first team and u23s . The game is truly f@cked 

Excellent, we'll be getting the 123rd choice player then, from their 11th choice team. Something to look forward to.

[aberdeen1970]

21 minutes ago, Kiriakov33 said:

According to the report that we going to be one of Juventus feeder clubs,  they have 123 players between first team and u23s . The game is truly f@cked 

That's absolutely mental 

[Donstar83]

Is there not a new rule that coming in saying how many players a club can loan out? 

[aberdeen1970]

Just now, Donstar83 said:

Is there not a new rule that coming in saying how many players a club can loan out? 

Unless it's up to a maximum of 120 there's going to be a lot of young Italian players on the dole 

[fine-n-dandy]

9 hours ago, aberdeen1970 said:

Unless it's up to a maximum of 120 there's going to be a lot of young Italian players on the dole 

Or they will just do as the arse cheeks do & enter under 23 teams in lower leagues & slowly work their way up manipulating the rules until they are in the second division/championship

 

For the good of the game don’t you know

[Matt Armstrong's Dog]

11 hours ago, Donstar83 said:

Is there not a new rule that coming in saying how many players a club can loan out? 

Your best bet min is to phone tel. no. (0371) 811 1955* and they should be able to provide the answer you're looking for.

*It's the telephone number for Chelsea Football Club. ?

[Poodler]

12 hours ago, Don_Corleone said:

Excellent, we'll be getting the 123rd choice player then, from their 11th choice team. Something to look forward to.

Wasn’t the boy Hernandez ranked about 123rd in the Norwegian league when we signed him as a ‘world class signing’. 
 

otherwise known as a massive lie 

[G31DON]

12 hours ago, Donstar83 said:

Is there not a new rule that coming in saying how many players a club can loan out? 

Correct. New laws coming into effect massively cutting the number of players allowed to be loaned out by one club. 

[Rico1903]

13 hours ago, Kiriakov33 said:

According to the report that we going to be one of Juventus feeder clubs,  they have 123 players between first team and u23s . The game is truly f@cked 

Find that hard to believe looking at the squads on their website? Doesn't look to be anything like 123 players? 

[fine-n-dandy]

47 minutes ago, G31DON said:

Correct. New laws coming into effect massively cutting the number of players allowed to be loaned out by one club. 

8 next season 

7 the following season 

then finally down to 6 for season 24/25

 

So less chance of us getting loans from the bigger clubs as they will prefer to loan to a level above us with limited loans available. 
 

We will get the loans from shite in 2nd division ?

[fine-n-dandy]

https://khelnow.com/football/fifa-new-loan-regulations-effects-on-football
 

Chelsea had 21 players out on loan last season

 

Atalanta had SIXTY FKN THREEEEEEEE! ??
 

still loads o fkn loop holes in it that clubs can abuse. 
 

U21 players don’t count & neither do ‘club trained’ players ?

load o fkn shite.

 

Liverpool can sign Ramsay & loan him out without it affecting their ‘rations’ ?

[The Gee Man]

Do we know with allegedly Liverpool, Leeds and Bologna interested if this could push up the potential fee or if there is a contract release clause?

[fine-n-dandy]

49 minutes ago, The Gee Man said:

Do we know with allegedly Liverpool, Leeds and Bologna interested if this could push up the potential fee or if there is a contract release clause?

Only mini knows. 
he will only reveal it after he tells Calvin first

[fine-n-dandy]

The new loan limit ‘rules’ to prevent ‘talent hoarding’ really are a complete load of BS as it does absolutely NOTHING to change things regarding U21’s (clubs will still be able to Hoover all them up & loan out as many as they want) they can also snap up all the young talent early enough such as Ramsay, keep them at club a wee while until they become ‘club trained’ then loan them out also without it counting as one of their ‘official’ loans 

[Kiriakov33]

5 hours ago, Rico1903 said:

Find that hard to believe looking at the squads on their website? Doesn't look to be anything like 123 players? 

I find it hard to believe also.  Below is from the article.  I’m 3 out but still an unbelievable figure 

Juventus have a huge stable of players with nearly 120 across their first-team and under-23 side. There are currently 43 out on loan to clubs around Europe and in MLS, including Aaron Ramsey at Rangers.

[Don_Corleone]

Wonder how many players we'll have drafted into our roster by the time fall comes.

[shut up meg]

7 hours ago, Poodler said:

Wasn’t the boy Hernandez ranked about 123rd in the Norwegian league when we signed him as a ‘world class signing’. 
 

otherwise known as a massive lie 

I think he was 123rd choice for us, DMC would've picked somebody out of the crowd before playing him

[strachanmcgheegoal]

and on more than a few occasions it appeared he had.

[bonzodaddy73]

8 hours ago, Poodler said:

Wasn’t the boy Hernandez ranked about 123rd in the Norwegian league when we signed him as a ‘world class signing’. 
 

otherwise known as a massive lie 

I'm pretty sure that he was a drug mule filled to the neck with condoms full of coke. 

The whole thing was bizarre.

[dj_bollocks]

I hope they get this sorted out ASAP... There's a big difference in prepping for pre season and new signings with whatever the budget is and with a few million in your hipper... Oh for the days of photos of the first day of pre season training with 5-8 new signings in the squad...