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2 hours ago, Kilgore Trout said:

Unlike your dog shit posts. Ready made steamers !

You didn’t just log on today to come away with that….c’mon you are better than that surely?

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4 hours ago, NEM said:

Agreed. If he’s happy though he should sign a contract extension 

Would be great business. Use some of the supposed money from the Hernandez sale and offer another three year extension.   Let the lad continue to develop and the payback will come when any club has to offer significantly more given the length of his new extended contract with us.  Great return on investment and we keep out best player for longer. 

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1 hour ago, Chester Don said:

Would be great business. Use some of the supposed money from the Hernandez sale and offer another three year extension.   Let the lad continue to develop and the payback will come when any club has to offer significantly more given the length of his new extended contract with us.  Great return on investment and we keep out best player for longer. 

No - we made that mistake with McKenna. Decent bid sell him and insist on certain contractural bonuses for the club plus a future percentage of ALL subsequent transfers 

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38 minutes ago, Broken_Glass said:

No - we made that mistake with McKenna. Decent bid sell him and insist on certain contractural bonuses for the club plus a future percentage of ALL subsequent transfers 

Aye and how does that work like?

 

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24 minutes ago, NEM said:

Aye and how does that work like?

 

Its not really too difficult to understand. It's called contractural clauses and agreements. Bit like John McGinn - he leaves Villa Hibs are due a windfall and I also believe that St Mirren weren't daft and they also have a 30% stake in whatever Hibs receive.

Hope that's simple enough. 

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15 minutes ago, Broken_Glass said:

Its not really too difficult to understand. It's called contractural clauses and agreements. Bit like John McGinn - he leaves Villa Hibs are due a windfall and I also believe that St Mirren weren't daft and they also have a 30% stake in whatever Hibs receive.

Hope that's simple enough. 

What happens if the player subsequently leaves on a Bosman? Like Ryan Fraser?

20% of fuck all is fuck all, by my maths

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39 minutes ago, sooth_stander said:

What happens if the player subsequently leaves on a Bosman? Like Ryan Fraser?

20% of fuck all is fuck all, by my maths

Exactly 

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1 hour ago, sooth_stander said:

What happens if the player subsequently leaves on a Bosman? Like Ryan Fraser?

20% of fuck all is fuck all, by my maths

All depends on how many times he moves, if he continues to develop and progress. He continues to excite and develop then the sky is the limit.

Captain Obvious with the above scenario, wasn't aware I would have been required to explain that - however you are correct with your mathematics.

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1 hour ago, sooth_stander said:

What happens if the player subsequently leaves on a Bosman? Like Ryan Fraser?

20% of fuck all is fuck all, by my maths

The hope is that , say in John McGinn's example, he'll go on to an even bigger club than Villa. Villa aren't going to let him go on a Bosman. 

Good example below.

When QPR sold Raheem Sterling to Liverpool in 2010, they made sure to include a 20% sell-on clause in addition to the initial fee of £600,000. The forward’s subsequent £49m move (£44m up front, with £5m in potential add-ons) from Anfield to Manchester City in 2015 guaranteed QPR a minimum £7.8m.

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26 minutes ago, Simply Red said:

Can see Ramsey going to the huns

:fishing:

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Is there an issue with the lads fitness?  He was absolutely burst after an hour.  I actually said to my mate after 15 minutes that he looked off the pace and thought he could have done better closing down the cross that led to their goal.  
 

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3 minutes ago, Kiriakov33 said:

Is there an issue with the lads fitness?  He was absolutely burst after an hour.  I actually said to my mate after 15 minutes that he looked off the pace and thought he could have done better closing down the cross that led to their goal.  
 

Much as I hate Kent. He is a hard player to play against. He runs RB’s ragged. 
 

Don’t get millertime started on Ramsay’s fitness ffs. 

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18 minutes ago, Kiriakov33 said:

Is there an issue with the lads fitness?  He was absolutely burst after an hour.  I actually said to my mate after 15 minutes that he looked off the pace and thought he could have done better closing down the cross that led to their goal.  
 

Off with cramp again.

That’s happened a lot.

Loads of potential & ability, just needs to get fitter & stronger. 

I think it’s too early for him to move - needs to stay, get games, get stronger & play 90 minutes here more before moving on. 

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Commentators noted about 5 or 6 scouts up to see him - I remember Leeds Spurs Man U

 

hopefully they all had to pay to get in 

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18 hours ago, Sooper-hanz said:

The hope is that , say in John McGinn's example, he'll go on to an even bigger club than Villa. Villa aren't going to let him go on a Bosman. 

Good example below.

When QPR sold Raheem Sterling to Liverpool in 2010, they made sure to include a 20% sell-on clause in addition to the initial fee of £600,000. The forward’s subsequent £49m move (£44m up front, with £5m in potential add-ons) from Anfield to Manchester City in 2015 guaranteed QPR a minimum £7.8m.

Aye, but the boy posting above said 'ALL' future transfers, which implies that he wants a cut of the likes of when Raheem is sold by Man City...

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Clearly got told to stick to Kent like glue last night, and forgo his usual forays up the park.

Got suckered into that wild challenge on some Hun or other in the 1st half, due to his inexperience, so was walking a tightrope thereafter. 

Still very much work in progress but this is the best place for him to realise that promise 

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11 minutes ago, DD1903 said:

Aye, but the boy posting above said 'ALL' future transfers, which implies that he wants a cut of the likes of when Raheem is sold by Man City...

How can that happen ? In that scenario QPR would have to have a deal with Man City before he started playing for Liverpool??

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1 hour ago, Poodler said:

Commentators noted about 5 or 6 scouts up to see him - I remember Leeds Spurs Man U

 

hopefully they all had to pay to get in 

If they haven’t been to watch him earlier in the season they’ll have been wandering what all the fuss is about watching him last night. Wasn’t his best game.

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1 minute ago, Sooper-hanz said:

How can that happen ? In that scenario QPR would have to have a deal with Man City before he started playing for Liverpool??

Exactly. You'll have to ask what's his name that was telling us that that is what the club should be asking for!

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The fact of the matter is that he kept a player who is valued at circa  £16m by the press very quiet, I remember a perfectly timed tackle in the second half.   He is a superb asset and we should enjoy him while we can as there is an inevitability that he will play at the very top level in time. 

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11 minutes ago, Chester Don said:

The fact of the matter is that he kept a player who is valued at circa  £16m by the press very quiet, I remember a perfectly timed tackle in the second half.   He is a superb asset and we should enjoy him while we can as there is an inevitability that he will play at the very top level in time. 

I think you were watching a different game to me then. Kent had him on toast a few times in the match

I'm sure he will make the very top of the game in time......but his first issue is to increase his stamina so he can effectively play for a full 90 minutes. Until he can do that he is of no use to any EPL clubs that may be showing an interest

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Needs another 18 months here imo if he wants to avoid being in some big team's under 23 squad. 

Should sign an extension with a pay rise and stick around for another season. 

Will be battle hardened by the time he's spent two full seasons in the first team here. 

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2 hours ago, Andy_123 said:

If they haven’t been to watch him earlier in the season they’ll have been wandering what all the fuss is about watching him last night. Wasn’t his best game.

That’s what I thought about him last night as well. 

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11 hours ago, Poodler said:

Commentators noted about 5 or 6 scouts up to see him - I remember Leeds Spurs Man U

 

hopefully they all had to pay to get in 

https://tbrfootball.com/report-tottenham-and-leeds-scout-clash-to-watch-elite-youngster/

The Daily Mail reports that Spurs, Leeds, Southampton, Leicester and Manchester United all had representatives at the game. But there is also interest from Bologna and Eintracht Frankfurt.

Aberdeen meanwhile, are believed to want more than £6 million for Ramsay. They would also like the 18-year-old back on loan for the rest of the season if he does move.

Ramsay would not be the first Premiership right-back to move to England in this window. Nathan Patterson left Rangers for Everton earlier in the month.

And the Aberdeen starlet is also not the only young right-back attracting the attention of both Leeds and Tottenham.

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Least the £4 million figure plucked out of a journos arse has improved a bit 

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Think we are going to lose him this window. Too much clubs interested for 1 not to take a punt. I think a bid of around 6m rising to 9m is what we should be looking at. A 20% sell on also. Think I’d rather he went to bundesliga because if he reaches his potential we are going to rake in a heap of cash for sell on. Interesting to see if he would be loaned back or if they would want him for first team duties straight away. 

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22 hours ago, Ten Caat said:

 

I think you were watching a different game to me then. Kent had him on toast a few times in the match

I'm sure he will make the very top of the game in time......but his first issue is to increase his stamina so he can effectively play for a full 90 minutes. Until he can do that he is of no use to any EPL clubs that may be showing an interest

I thought he defended against Kent very well and got the  better of Kent more than Kent got the better of him. His tackle in the second half was excellent I think it was there he stretched a bit and probably slightly pulled something that made him go off. Don’t think stamina was a problem 

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41 minutes ago, thurso said:

I thought he defended against Kent very well and got the  better of Kent more than Kent got the better of him. His tackle in the second half was excellent I think it was there he stretched a bit and probably slightly pulled something that made him go off. Don’t think stamina was a problem 

Don’t agree.  Thought Kent did a far more effective job on Ramsay.  Kent also got the cross in for their goal.  Still think Ramsay should have got out to him quicker and was caught in no man’s land.  Glass said after game that it was cramp.  There were times later in the first half that I thought he didn’t look 100% fit.   Was definitely breathing out of his arse after an hour.  
He is our prize asset though but still very raw and needs to develop physically.  Another 12-18 months with us would be the best all round I reckon.   That being said £6m up front and loaned back for rest of season is an offer I doubt the club would turn down. 

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