Match Thread (League Cup) Raith Rovers 2 - 1 Aberdeen

[Crossbow]

6 hours ago, Big Hat Logan said:

If you’re sure then surely you can name players who have chosen to join us so they can have the chance of winning the league cup? Given that we’ve won one cup in 26 years it doesn’t really seem that attractive, players like to win things or hadn’t you heard?

European football, I completely get as a draw for potential loanees and their parent clubs.

And we can't have both?

Why would anyone come here to try to hope to win anything; we've won one thing in the last 20 years and some folk still seem quite content about that - St Johnstone with their European high flying and cup winning would be more attractive after the cheeks. 

[Big Hat Logan]

20 hours ago, Crossbow said:

And we can't have both?

Why would anyone come here to try to hope to win anything; we've won one thing in the last 20 years and some folk still seem quite content about that - St Johnstone with their European high flying and cup winning would be more attractive after the cheeks. 

So being in the cup makes no difference then? That’s quite the u-turn.

Also, still waiting for names of players who joined us to have a shot at winning the league cup.

[dazzy_deff]

Just now, Big Hat Logan said:

So being in the cup makes no difference then? That’s quite the u-turn.

Also, still waiting for names of players who joined us to have a shot at winning the league cup.

Alan Tate. 

Shay Logan. 

[Crossbow]

2 minutes ago, Big Hat Logan said:

So being in the cup makes no difference then? That’s quite the u-turn.

Also, still waiting for names of players who joined us to have a shot at winning the league cup.

Not a u-turn - merely a general observation - surely it is obvious that being in a competition is better than not being in it - and having a chance to win something is better than not - I'm certain that no one from England has ever said I'm going to Aberdeen to further my career and win a League Cup medal (or indeed play in Baku) - but I'm sure that being in perceived bigger games does help attract players - I realise you are a generally considered a troll but will indulge you with that statement of the obvious - do you not think playing at Hampden is a good thing for AFC to be doing if they are looking to attract players of a reasonable calibre? I've never said playing in Europe doesn't help - do try to keep on point.

[aberdeen1970]

People being a bit obtuse here. 

If a player has been on loan here do you think he'd rather go back to his club having played in Conference group games or winning a trophy?

The opportunity to win trophies would be just as important you'd think. Not many players outside a handful of clubs get too many chances to win a National Cup competition. 

 

[StandFree1982]

7 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said:

People being a bit obtuse here. 

If a player has been on loan here do you think he'd rather go back to his club having played in Conference group games or winning a trophy?

The opportunity to win trophies would be just as important you'd think. Not many players outside a handful of clubs get too many chances to win a National Cup competition. 

 

Whatever way you angle it, they're probably correct. 

[aberdeen1970]

2 minutes ago, StandFree1982 said:

Whatever way you angle it, they're probably correct. 

An acute observation 

[Foster14]

It depends if we are looking at this as a selling point at point of loan/transfer or the completion of a spell at a club.

Given the two times we can sign players on loan or transfers, we are going to be in the early rounds of cup at best (or out at worst), and given we have won one cup in twenty six years, I don't think we can use the potential winning a trophy as a selling point.  Alternatively, as at 31 August as the deadline shuts, we could potentially be able to sell the opportunity to take part in European games almost up to Christmas.

At the end of a spell, if they had sampled both, would a player look back more fondly on winning a medal/trophy, or some random games in Europe?  I'd hope the former, as that is what football is really about, isn't it?  Certainly what I'd prefer as a fan.

[StandFree1982]

2 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said:

An acute observation 

Thanks.

And don't ever call me cute. 

[aberdeen1970]

1 minute ago, StandFree1982 said:

Thanks.

And don't ever call me cute. 

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[StandFree1982]

5 minutes ago, Foster14 said:

It depends if we are looking at this as a selling point at point of loan/transfer or the completion of a spell at a club.

Given the two times we can sign players on loan or transfers, we are going to be in the early rounds of cup at best (or out at worst), and given we have won one cup in twenty six years, I don't think we can use the potential winning a trophy as a selling point.  Alternatively, as at 31 August as the deadline shuts, we could potentially be able to sell the opportunity to take part in European games almost up to Christmas.

At the end of a spell, if they had sampled both, would a player look back more fondly on winning a medal/trophy, or some random games in Europe?  I'd hope the former, as that is what football is really about, isn't it?  Certainly what I'd prefer as a fan.

How many players have we had on loan that has come back permanently? Only one I can think of, off the top of my head, is Aluko.  I am sure there are more though. 

[Byrne Baby Byrne]

1 minute ago, StandFree1982 said:

How many players have we had on loan that has come back permanently? Only one I can think of, off the top of my head, is Aluko.  I am sure there are more though. 

Reynolds & Logan

Milsom maybe? I'm sure he looked class on loan then we signed him and he was shite

[StandFree1982]

4 minutes ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said:

Reynolds & Logan

Milsom maybe? I'm sure he looked class on loan then we signed him and he was shite

Logan. I knew there was one recently. 

[Ten Caat]

9 minutes ago, StandFree1982 said:

How many players have we had on loan that has come back permanently? Only one I can think of, off the top of my head, is Aluko.  I am sure there are more though. 

Woods....

[TheRock]

James Wilson

[Foster14]

 

22 minutes ago, StandFree1982 said:

How many players have we had on loan that has come back permanently? Only one I can think of, off the top of my head, is Aluko.  I am sure there are more though. 

I was more meaning loan or transfer, not loan then transfer.

But Greg Leigh... 

[Foster14]

And McRorie, sort of... 

[aberdeen1970]

Was Rooney on loan initially? 

[StandFree1982]

11 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said:

Was Rooney on loan initially? 

Pretty sure he was bought outright from the beginning. 

[aberdeen1970]

Just now, StandFree1982 said:

Pretty sure he was bought outright from the beginning. 

Cheers. Wasn't sure about that one 

[muttonhumper]

52 minutes ago, TheRock said:

James Wilson

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[TheRock]

Too soon? 

[Durrant Dived]

5 hours ago, StandFree1982 said:

How many players have we had on loan that has come back permanently? Only one I can think of, off the top of my head, is Aluko.  I am sure there are more though. 

Watkins?

[Matt Armstrong's Dog]

On 8/18/2021 at 4:28 PM, Byrne Baby Byrne said:

Reynolds & Logan

Milsom maybe? I'm sure he looked class on loan then we signed him and he was shite

Great shout. Mark Reynolds was the last player we got on loan (fae Sheffield Wednesday if I remember correctly) than signed permanently. Logan was signed permanently at the time of signing. I may be wrong though.

[aberdeen1970]

18 minutes ago, Matt Armstrong's Dog said:

Great shout. Mark Reynolds was the last player we got on loan (fae Sheffield Wednesday if I remember correctly) than signed permanently. Logan was signed permanently at the time of signing. I may be wrong though.

I'm sure Logan was on loan at first min 

[Ten Caat]

27 minutes ago, Matt Armstrong's Dog said:

Great shout. Mark Reynolds was the last player we got on loan (fae Sheffield Wednesday if I remember correctly) than signed permanently. Logan was signed permanently at the time of signing. I may be wrong though.

you are

 

[Matt Armstrong's Dog]

32 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said:

I'm sure Logan was on loan at first min 

 

23 minutes ago, Ten Caat said:

you are

 

I put my hands up loons, you are bang on  

[fine-n-dandy]

Wonder if we had already been out of Europe by this game would Glass have been sacked after this result? 
 

Think it was the Raith game that was the major turning point for all the fans with McGhee that hadn’t already taken the instant dislike to him for his comments rgds celtic job. 
 

Still baffles me how soft our fans have gotten now that so many are still hopeful Glass can suddenly become good when there is absolutely nothing in his past to back up this optimism 

[torry_battery_ram]

On 12/30/2021 at 7:49 PM, fine-n-dandy said:

Wonder if we had already been out of Europe by this game would Glass have been sacked after this result? 
 

Think it was the Raith game that was the major turning point for all the fans with McGhee that hadn’t already taken the instant dislike to him for his comments rgds celtic job. 
 

Still baffles me how soft our fans have gotten now that so many are still hopeful Glass can suddenly become good when there is absolutely nothing in his past to back up this optimism 

I don't think Glass was the right man for the job but this is just ridiculous. Cormack will give him at least until the end of the season and probably longer.

We were on a good run until the Raith game. I also seem to remember we didn't have a lot of injuries back then but Glass was trying to avoid players getting injured. Unfortunately the Raith game was where we lost our most effective attacking outlet (Hedges).