Match Thread Motherwell 2 - 0 Aberdeen

[Byrne Baby Byrne]

7 minutes ago, 4n4LprObE666 said:

Our scouting network appears to be extremely limited to say the least. Plus who was the last decent striker we brought through from youth? Scott Booth?

Think this is a bigger problem than an AFC one.

Scotland's current strike force is a limited pair of strikers from Australia and England. Oli McBurnie, who is also crap, is the most expensive Scottish striker ever... and is from Yorkshire.

There are no Scottish strikers coming through at all. They don't exist. All kids just want to play in midfield and play easy passes nowadays I think. I blame Pep

[Byrne Baby Byrne]

8 minutes ago, 4n4LprObE666 said:

It's so frustrating. I mean, when a lowly (in ranking terms) team from Azerbaijan can fly over here and absolutely, effortless school us, you know the game's a bogey.

So since the 90s we've tried a few things to compete. Expensive journeymen foreigners, now less expensive journeymen English and Irish players.

What is so difficult about training kids to be good, intelligent footballers? Other countries manage it. Is it our culture?

Can't be arsed checking the line up but I think Qarabag are able to buy in some decent players. Think they have a few South Americans and Europeans in their ranks who wouldn't have moved to Baku for nothing. 

I think it is our culture. Think it is poor coaching too, as dazzy deff mentioned recently players are still being rejected for being too small. Thats why Scotland compete well up to under 18 level, we just pick the bruisers. Then it turns out they aren't very good at football and we get battered at under 21 and full international level. It's probably also the fact youth seasons run the same time as the professional season.... when the pitches are looking glorious in June and July and teams can be out playing football and passing the ball on a good surface.... there's hardly any games on. Instead we'll have them playing on a tattie field in December. Maybe thats why we did better on Qarabags pitch...

[slippers]

8 minutes ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said:

Can't be arsed checking the line up but I think Qarabag are able to buy in some decent players. Think they have a few South Americans and Europeans in their ranks who wouldn't have moved to Baku for nothing. 

I think it is our culture. Think it is poor coaching too, as dazzy deff mentioned recently players are still being rejected for being too small. Thats why Scotland compete well up to under 18 level, we just pick the bruisers. Then it turns out they aren't very good at football and we get battered at under 21 and full international level. It's probably also the fact youth seasons run the same time as the professional season.... when the pitches are looking glorious in June and July and teams can be out playing football and passing the ball on a good surface.... there's hardly any games on. Instead we'll have them playing on a tattie field in December. Maybe thats why we did better on Qarabags pitch...

One of the Aberdeen podcasts, think it was ABZ had done a bit of research on that and said that majority of players have been brought in from markets we should be targeting like the Portuguese second division and places like that. None of the players had came from teams that would be out of reach for us, all lower leagues. It's absolutely baffling how long we have pissed about in lower leagues in England and expected to get a competitive team to challenge for trophies. It even annoys me how we have blown about scouting Europe for a couple years and still signed absolutely no-one from that leagues.

[Simply Red]

Aye Qarabag have a champ league budget

[muttonhumper]

1 hour ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said:

His work rate wasn't very good. Think he just thought he was better than everyone else so didn't have to try. Usually only took 1 kick from an opposition player or one pass that a team mate failed to read and he'd throw his arms about and give up for the rest of the game. 

Ryan Christie was far more effective for us. Mental we signed both of them in the same season. Unreal players

Correct.

[Byrne Baby Byrne]

30 minutes ago, slippers said:

One of the Aberdeen podcasts, think it was ABZ had done a bit of research on that and said that majority of players have been brought in from markets we should be targeting like the Portuguese second division and places like that. None of the players had came from teams that would be out of reach for us, all lower leagues. It's absolutely baffling how long we have pissed about in lower leagues in England and expected to get a competitive team to challenge for trophies. It even annoys me how we have blown about scouting Europe for a couple years and still signed absolutely no-one from that leagues.

Can't imagine scouting Europe is particularly cheap either though. A lot of costs associated with that... it's not just going to be a ryanair flight to portugal watching a couple of games then coming home with a couple of bargains who will runt he show.

Even signing Bulgaria internationals from an era when Bulgaria were a right good team didn't work out

Basically there is no answer and Aberdeen will always be shite.

[Simply Red]

Us and the rest of Scottish fitba went down the route of trying to unearth bargains on the continent.

Morocco, Holland, Bulgaria, France, Scandanavia

The conclusion was it didnt make any odds to success and was a costly retrograde step in terms of bring thru our own.

 

[Durrant Dived]

27 minutes ago, 4n4LprObE666 said:

Haha, that's the spirit! ?

He is completely right though. 

[Don_Corleone]

1 hour ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said:

Think this is a bigger problem than an AFC one.

Scotland's current strike force is a limited pair of strikers from Australia and England. Oli McBurnie, who is also crap, is the most expensive Scottish striker ever... and is from Yorkshire.

There are no Scottish strikers coming through at all. They don't exist. All kids just want to play in midfield and play easy passes nowadays I think. I blame Pep

I think one of the problems is that over here we expect all 10 outfield players to be running around like maniacs for the whole game. There’s no room for someone with a bit of skill and creativity to conserve their energy to actually do some creating and scoring - they’ve also got to run around like a maniac or else they get labelled as lazy or not a team player. Also, if the above player tries something and it doesn’t work they get slated. People would rather have some crappy Stevie may / Curtis main type than a GMS or even JET (although he possibly isn’t a good example as he does everything at walking pace which is unecessary)

[winchester83]

You win FA with a shite goalkeeper, thats where the problem starts.

[slippers]

2 hours ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said:

Can't imagine scouting Europe is particularly cheap either though. A lot of costs associated with that... it's not just going to be a ryanair flight to portugal watching a couple of games then coming home with a couple of bargains who will runt he show.

Even signing Bulgaria internationals from an era when Bulgaria were a right good team didn't work out

Basically there is no answer and Aberdeen will always be shite.

Recruitment is absolutely terrible and has been for many years. We are signing players like Dylan McGeouch who I bet is on a ridiculous wage for doing very little since his arrival. Im certain we could find better players in other countries and they would potentially not cost as much as these failed players in England on inflated wages. Im not saying it will be easy but I have no doubt it can be done.

[afc1903mad]

5 minutes ago, slippers said:

Recruitment is absolutely terrible and has been for many years. We are signing players like Dylan McGeouch who I bet is on a ridiculous wage for doing very little since his arrival. Im certain we could find better players in other countries and they would potentially not cost as much as these failed players in England on inflated wages. Im not saying it will be easy but I have no doubt it can be done.

That was the safe policy under McInnes though, wasn't it.

Sign players who had previously were successful in the Scottish league but failed to kick on down south

[Byrne Baby Byrne]

11 minutes ago, slippers said:

Recruitment is absolutely terrible and has been for many years. We are signing players like Dylan McGeouch who I bet is on a ridiculous wage for doing very little since his arrival. Im certain we could find better players in other countries and they would potentially not cost as much as these failed players in England on inflated wages. Im not saying it will be easy but I have no doubt it can be done.

My problem with McGeouch and Longstaff is that we just dont need them. They are good players but we have players of a similar ability already. Meanwhile we have guys with limited ability in the forward and central defensive areas. Why waste money on a massive squad of centre mids

Shite

[RUL]

4 hours ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said:

Can't imagine scouting Europe is particularly cheap either though. A lot of costs associated with that... it's not just going to be a ryanair flight to portugal watching a couple of games then coming home with a couple of bargains who will runt he show.

Even signing Bulgaria internationals from an era when Bulgaria were a right good team didn't work out

Basically there is no answer and Aberdeen will always be shite.

What about the boys from Iceland, they looked to have some decent players, I notice Bredabalik have pretty much won every game. Surely we could poach someone of them?

[Don_Corleone]

2 hours ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said:

My problem with McGeouch and Longstaff is that we just dont need them. They are good players but we have players of a similar ability already. Meanwhile we have guys with limited ability in the forward and central defensive areas. Why waste money on a massive squad of centre mids

Shite

If we’d brought McGeouch in and actually played him every week he maybe would’ve been a good signing. He’s hardly had more than 2 games in a row in a couple seasons. He can do pretty much the same as Longstaff which made his signing utterly pointless. 

[Ten Caat]

4 hours ago, 4n4LprObE666 said:

I blame that cunt Souness and the dead club for starting the whole importing of 'big name' players nearing the end of their careers.

From that point on, Scottish football was on a slippery slope.

I think you are suffering from a bit of memory loss as to who Souness actually brought in. The only one I can think of who was at the end of their career was Souness himself. Who was brought in by David Holmes.

Chris Woods, Terry Butcher, Mark Walters, Mo Johnston etc were all brought in at the peak of their careers ( for big fees in Scottish terms but relatively cheaply compared to what English clubs were shelling out). He did bring in loads who he then shipped out fairly quickly if he felt they weren't good enough....Terry Hurlock, Graham Roberts and Colin West spring immediately to mind.....but they were still in their prime years and I'm sure that oldco tended to make profits on their initial outlays of those they sold regardless (I think they lost £50k on West but he was in the minority).

It was later on under Sir Walter of Cardigan that oldco's model changed and they starting spending massive money on utter duds chasing European success that eventually led to the house of cards inevitably toppling, although it took nearly 20 years of overspending but hoovering up countless domestic trophies  (fucking cheating) for it to finally occur

 

[aberdeen1970]

2 minutes ago, Ten Caat said:

I think you are suffering from a bit of memory loss as to who Souness actually brought in. The only one I can think of who was at the end of their career was Souness himself. Who was brought in by David Holmes.

Chris Woods, Terry Butcher, Mark Walters, Mo Johnston etc were all brought in at the peak of their careers ( for big fees in Scottish terms but relatively cheaply compared to what English clubs were shelling out). He did bring in loads who he then shipped out fairly quickly if he felt they weren't good enough....Terry Hurlock, Graham Roberts and Colin West spring immediately to mind.....but they were still in their prime years and I'm sure that oldco tended to make profits on their initial outlays of those they sold regardless (I think they lost £50k on West but he was in the minority).

It was later on under Sir Walter of Cardigan that oldco's model changed and they starting spending massive money on utter duds chasing European success that eventually led to the house of cards inevitably toppling, although it took nearly 20 years of overspending but hoovering up countless domestic trophies  (fucking cheating) for it to finally occur

 

Andy Gray, Trevor Francis, Ray Wilkins 

[strachanmcgheegoal]

Trevor Stephen, Gary Stephens.

winners to a man.  (If winner = cunts)

[muttonhumper]

13 hours ago, aberdeen1970 said:

Andy Gray, Trevor Francis, Ray Wilkins 

Aye, they were definitely at the tail end of their careers those eens.

[afc1903mad]

15 hours ago, Ten Caat said:

I think you are suffering from a bit of memory loss as to who Souness actually brought in. The only one I can think of who was at the end of their career was Souness himself. Who was brought in by David Holmes.

Chris Woods, Terry Butcher, Mark Walters, Mo Johnston etc were all brought in at the peak of their careers ( for big fees in Scottish terms but relatively cheaply compared to what English clubs were shelling out). He did bring in loads who he then shipped out fairly quickly if he felt they weren't good enough....Terry Hurlock, Graham Roberts and Colin West spring immediately to mind.....but they were still in their prime years and I'm sure that oldco tended to make profits on their initial outlays of those they sold regardless (I think they lost £50k on West but he was in the minority).

It was later on under Sir Walter of Cardigan that oldco's model changed and they starting spending massive money on utter duds chasing European success that eventually led to the house of cards inevitably toppling, although it took nearly 20 years of overspending but hoovering up countless domestic trophies  (fucking cheating) for it to finally occur

 

The biggest driver for those guys going to the Huns was the Heysel disaster. 

[Ten Caat]

15 hours ago, aberdeen1970 said:

Andy Gray, Trevor Francis, Ray Wilkins 

I honestly forgot about those 3

Of those 3, only Wilkins was with oldco for any length of time. Signed aged 31,  stayed 2 years then moved to QPR. He actually played for another 8 years after leaving the dead club

Gray stayed 1 season after signing aged 32 and played one season in the conference after leaving. So deffo at the end of his career

Francis barely worth a mention. Signed aged 33, only stayed 6 months and left for QPR. Did play 5 more years after leaving.

[aberdeen1970]

25 minutes ago, Ten Caat said:

I honestly forgot about those 3

Of those 3, only Wilkins was with oldco for any length of time. Signed aged 31,  stayed 2 years then moved to QPR. He actually played for another 8 years after leaving the dead club

Gray stayed 1 season after signing aged 32 and played one season in the conference after leaving. So deffo at the end of his career

Francis barely worth a mention. Signed aged 33, only stayed 6 months and left for QPR. Did play 5 more years after leaving.

It felt like they were signing a new player every week under Souness 

[Millertime]

On 9/12/2021 at 10:59 PM, Big Hat Logan said:

It’s Scottish football, the good players won’t come here unless it’s the old firm, none of the rest of us can afford it. Plus it’s dominated by two teams, which players with ambition are coming to teams that will realistically only finish third? 
 

Do you think we could have signed players like McGinn, Rooney, Robson, Flood, Scott Brown, Goodwillie, May etc in their prime? Never happening. 

We signed several of them who enjoyed their prime with us

[aberdeen1970]

2 hours ago, Millertime said:

We signed several of them who enjoyed their prime with us

Exactly. McGinn, Hayes, Logan and Rooney were in their prime when they were with us during the McInnes years. 

[strachanmcgheegoal]

Wait.  May had a prime?

[Ernie McCracken]

2 minutes ago, strachanmcgheegoal said:

Wait.  May had a prime?

Aye his home debut against Dundee. That was it - blink and you missed it. 

[Millertime]

3 hours ago, aberdeen1970 said:

Exactly. McGinn, Hayes, Logan and Rooney were in their prime when they were with us during the McInnes years. 

Yep and for him to be able to get them was incredible

The problem is being able to do it again 

[muttonhumper]

8 hours ago, Millertime said:

Yep and for him to be able to get them was incredible

The problem is being able to do it again 

Who is "him"?

[afc1903mad]

14 hours ago, Millertime said:

Yep and for him to be able to get them was incredible

The problem is being able to do it again 

Wait, who signed McGinn and Hayes? Answer - Nae McInnes. It was Brown

Logan - a McInnes signing but alike a rabbit caught in headlights when he first played for and and it was Russell Anderson that managed him through the games. He certainly developed whilst here though, but you wonder without Andersons guidance on the pitch whether he would have developed as he had. Hardly worth being put down as an incredible signing to have achieved though 

Rooney - Tried and Tested in Scotland, Hardly a gamble

[aberdeen1970]

2 hours ago, afc1903mad said:

Wait, who signed McGinn and Hayes? Answer - Nae McInnes. It was Brown

Logan - a McInnes signing but alike a rabbit caught in headlights when he first played for and and it was Russell Anderson that managed him through the games. He certainly developed whilst here though, but you wonder without Andersons guidance on the pitch whether he would have developed as he had. Hardly worth being put down as an incredible signing to have achieved though 

Rooney - Tried and Tested in Scotland, Hardly a gamble

Aye but the issue at hand was whether Aberdeen had players at their peak during McInnes ' reign or not. Not who signed them.