Stephen Glass: What should we do?

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Glass can get to fuck.

Utterly fucking useless.

 

[afc1903mad]

4 minutes ago, Don_Corleone said:

You'd have been the last man standing on the Titanic probably - you were like this with McInnes too, everyone else knew months earlier that his time was up but you kept making excuses for him. I'm pretty sure this is just history repeating itself. However, I do admire your optimism, and your willingness to put an alternative view across, so fair play to you!

Come on though... IF we go 13 without a win, DC needs to tell SG he needs to start getting results? Surely the chairman should be at the manager if we go 4 or 5 games without a win - if I did my job terribly for a month my boss would have something to say to me - he doesn't wait until I've been underperforming for 3 months before he says "you need to start improving or else we'll have to take action..." - at the 3 month stage he's on the brink of punting me, not just starting to tell me improvements are required.

If you can't defend your own goal, and can't score in the other team's goal, then you don't deserve to win anything. If we can't beat dundee who haven't won a game at all this season it's another nail in the coffin - crowds will be down, fans increasingly disillusioned, moral amongst players even worse... but if he then goes another 3 games without a win it will be significantly worse. At this rate we'll be lucky to get 21 points in the remainder of the season never mind the next 9 games.

Its a fair point, but managing a football team and transitioning with new players and a new style takes time. You have to be brave with it, else your constricting the ability to make radical changes and installing a fear to just focus on short term results. With that, we'll end up with eye bleeding hoofball again.

The other argument with day job comparisons is that you could probably see problems in the business that have been there fore years, so if everyone got dunted after 3 months then the you'd just end up with more failures and less progress.

I was a supporter of McInnes, right up till Christmas last year. I defended him and said that he deserved the opportunity to turn it around because if the consistency, stability and progress he had made with our results. We had a decent start last season and we were playing some decent football with Watkins, Hedges and Wright, but McInnes showed with all of them being out of the picture that he had no appetite and desire to turn it around so changed my view on him and agreed it was time for him to move on. 

I did also say that a change would represent a risk, but ultimately it was the time to take that risk.

Is it a risk keeping Glass on?, maybe, but I can see what he's trying to do and don't think we are far away from clicking and getting a good run of results.

I can see the potential and don't think we should add further risk and uncertainty without giving that potential a chance to come through

[aberdeen1970]

Just now, afc1903mad said:

Its a fair point, but managing a football team and transitioning with new players and a new style takes time. You have to be brave with it, else your constricting the ability to make radical changes and installing a fear to just focus on short term results. With that, we'll end up with eye bleeding hoofball again.

The other argument with day job comparisons is that you could probably see problems in the business that have been there fore years, so if everyone got dunted after 3 months then the you'd just end up with more failures and less progress.

I was a supporter of McInnes, right up till Christmas last year. I defended him and said that he deserved the opportunity to turn it around because if the consistency, stability and progress he had made with our results. We had a decent start last season and we were playing some decent football with Watkins, Hedges and Wright, but McInnes showed with all of them being out of the picture that he had no appetite and desire to turn it around so changed my view on him and agreed it was time for him to move on. 

I did also say that a change would represent a risk, but ultimately it was the time to take that risk.

Is it a risk keeping Glass on?, maybe, but I can see what he's trying to do and don't think we are far away from clicking and getting a good run of results.

I can see the potential and don't think we should add further risk and uncertainty without giving that potential a chance to come through

You can talk about transition all you want but the bottom line is you need to get results at the same time.  

This is professional sport nae the local pensioner bridge club. 

 

[afc1903mad]

6 minutes ago, Ernie McCracken said:

Sticking with Glass is giving up. 

Seriously min you've got this all muddled up. 

Open minded? The amount of times closed minded people use that phrase because they believe in shit like psychics etc is staggering, as their mind is usually completely closed to the possibility that it's smoke and mirrors. 

You have consistently displayed a closed mind to Glass being out of his depth, in the face of overwhelming evidence. Consistantly come up with different excuses and scenarios to back up your view that he could just be the man. Having the blinkers on so to speak, to quote your good self. He isn't the man. Thats not me being closed minded or giving up - that is the reality of the situation. 

We disagree. That's ok. Glass may not be the right man to turn it around, but I believe he should be allowed to have the opportunity to do so.

8 games into the league is not the right time to make that decision.

Playing Chess, you knock over your King after losing a few pawns

[afc1903mad]

1 minute ago, aberdeen1970 said:

You can talk about transition all you want but the bottom line is you need to get results at the same time.  

This is professional sport nae the local pensioner bridge club. 

 

I agree its a results based business and it will be ultimately paramount to get those results. 

If Glass can;t achieve that then I'll join the Glass out game, but as I said, I can see improvements and what he's trying to achieve so am willing to give him some more time to achieve that than revert back to a tired old way of playing football.

If we revert to the type of football McInnes had us at the end, or hire the same old journeymen i.e. Hughes, Lennon etc, then I'd find that boring and question whether its worth continuing watching the team.

We HAVE to be trying to move onto a better way of playing

[Don_Corleone]

11 minutes ago, afc1903mad said:

Its a fair point, but managing a football team and transitioning with new players and a new style takes time. You have to be brave with it, else your constricting the ability to make radical changes and installing a fear to just focus on short term results. With that, we'll end up with eye bleeding hoofball again.

It's not just the results for me though - I also don't see this potential that you're talking about. I see a manager who's brought in a number of duff players in the wrong positions and is playing a system which doesn't suit half of them. I'm seeing a manager who promised attacking exciting football, and brought in a specialist "attackers" coach whose team has only managed 9 goals in 8 games in the league, and despite the fact the stats show we have lots of "shots at goal" we never particularly look like scoring - quite a number of our recent goals have been from set pieces, rather than exciting, creative, open play moves. It's all these kind of things that are compounding people's belief that he is not going to turn it around. Time will tell as I expect he will probably get another month or so to try and turn it around (regardless of whether or not he actually should).

[Ernie McCracken]

14 minutes ago, afc1903mad said:

We disagree. That's ok. Glass may not be the right man to turn it around, but I believe he should be allowed to have the opportunity to do so.

8 games into the league is not the right time to make that decision.

Playing Chess, you knock over your King after losing a few pawns

Ach fair enough. Your position is nothing if not noble, but ultimately damaging to the club for no reason other than to simply to avoid the accusation of being unfair to Glass. 

He has had opportunity, a fantastic opportunity, and he has  blown it. 

This will be borne out in time. And when Dave Cormack eventually pulls the trigger, I wholeheartedly reject his statement which will likely say that we needed to give Glass time.  I (and I hope other supporters) will hold him fully responsible for the additional unnecessary damage he has caused the club by failing to act now. 

RE chess I play to the bitter end. But during the game I make moves to put me in the best position to win, whether that be sacrificing a pawn or sacking an out of his depth manager. 

 

[aberdeen1970]

8 minutes ago, afc1903mad said:

I agree its a results based business and it will be ultimately paramount to get those results. 

If Glass can;t achieve that then I'll join the Glass out game, but as I said, I can see improvements and what he's trying to achieve so am willing to give him some more time to achieve that than revert back to a tired old way of playing football.

If we revert to the type of football McInnes had us at the end, or hire the same old journeymen i.e. Hughes, Lennon etc, then I'd find that boring and question whether its worth continuing watching the team.

We HAVE to be trying to move onto a better way of playing

These 'improvements' are in your imagination though.  

[aberdeen1970]

7 minutes ago, Don_Corleone said:

It's not just the results for me though - I also don't see this potential that you're talking about. I see a manager who's brought in a number of duff players in the wrong positions and is playing a system which doesn't suit half of them. I'm seeing a manager who promised attacking exciting football, and brought in a specialist "attackers" coach whose team has only managed 9 goals in 8 games in the league, and despite the fact the stats show we have lots of "shots at goal" we never particularly look like scoring - quite a number of our recent goals have been from set pieces, rather than exciting, creative, open play moves. It's all these kind of things that are compounding people's belief that he is not going to turn it around. Time will tell as I expect he will probably get another month or so to try and turn it around (regardless of whether or not he actually should).

Aye and he's been here since March so is away to enter his 8th month. 

If he'd arrived in July then I might have had some more sympathy but he's had a few months to work with the players he had, decided to extend a few of them, had a whole pre season to implement a 'style' and a transfer window to bring in 11 players and we actually look worse than we did in the early games he was in charge. Every game just now is just like the Dundee United Cup game last season. 

 

[afc1903mad]

22 minutes ago, Ernie McCracken said:

As for battles, you should read into them. Having a good general is critical and countless solid and brave men who never give have been needlessly driven to their doom by incompetence from the general.

Which generals are you referring to that didn't lose any battles or have to retreat during a campaign before attacking agin?

[Ernie McCracken]

7 minutes ago, afc1903mad said:

Which generals are you referring to that didn't lose any battles or have to retreat during a campaign before attacking agin?

Seriously?!!! No-one is saying that our manager is expected not to lose any games.  How on earth can't you see that Glass's poor performance is so much more than a simple setback or difficult period. 

[afc1903mad]

8 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said:

These 'improvements' are in your imagination though.  

Facts are not imaginative though 

Statistically, we've improved in many areas.

12 minutes ago, Don_Corleone said:

despite the fact the stats show we have lots of "shots at goal" we never particularly look like scoring - quite a number of our recent goals have been from set pieces, rather than exciting, creative, open play moves. 

I agree that is a concern of mine is that our creativity is generally from set pieces. There is a statistic somewhere that showed the majority of goals worldwide are from set pieces and you can understand why we see many managers play the percentages and teams "fabricate" opportunities to put training ground set pieces into play (such as the Ramirez goal against St Mirren)

I would love it if we could be more creative from open play. We short of pace in my opinion (something that needs addressed), Id hope that Hedges will help with that creative front.

We will in the next window (or summer) need to address the pace from our wide areas (in my opinion)

[afc1903mad]

2 minutes ago, Ernie McCracken said:

Seriously?!!! No-one is saying that our manager is expected not to lose any games.  How on earth can't you see that Glass's poor performance is so much more than a simple setback or difficult period. 

I think Glass has been willing to make changes earlier than what McInnes would do and change the system when its not working. Something McInnes didn't do. It was planA till the 80th minute and then through Ash Taylor up front for the lumped ball.

Were controlling the game more, creating more opportunities than the opposition and statistically, have been limiting the opposition opportunities as well.

It may seem mad given our results, but it is fine margins from us getting the first goal and then meaning that the opposition have to open up and the need to tighten up on the 1 or 2 opportunities that the opposition is getting and being clinical with.

I know I'm against the grain for some of you guys, but truly hope that we get a game that we flip it and turn it around.

St Mirren for me looked to have been an opportunity to do that, coming from behind to go ahead only for Jenks to get sent off and find ourselves behind again. That was a chance for the manager (and Brown as captain) to show leadership and organise ourselves to be tighter as a unit and allow less space to play through us).

I hop Dundee is a game we start getting our injured players back, create and score more and allow us to follow up with the Hibs game with more confidence

[thurso]

39 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said:

These 'improvements' are in your imagination though.  

Have any of the games this season have we been completely outplayed 

[afc1903mad]

6 minutes ago, thurso said:

Have any of the games this season have we been completely outplayed 

Qarabag (home and away) and Hacken (away) are the only three that we've been outplayed imo

[shooftahmooftah]

1 hour ago, spamspamspam said:

Glass can get to fuck.

Utterly fucking useless.

 

It’s just not glass.  It’s the under performing seals he signed. And the others Mcinnes signed.     There’s no way this team all of a sudden is going to start performing and hitting the back of the net on a regular basis. You’d need a new manager with a cheque to sign a new team.  Joe Lewis he’s on another planet,  Lewis Ferguson is in transfer dreamland.    It’s a relegation battle even if glass is sacked. 

 

[Dundeedon]

Cormack is the problem it's not all glass. This is the guy who named a fucking training ground after himself. If he was chocolate he'd eat himself although he'd be worried about getting his ridiculous teeth dirty.

[RED_JOHN]

1 hour ago, afc1903mad said:

 

Playing Chess, you knock over your King after losing a few pawns

Some chess player you would be. Pitiful!

[Itsagoal]

AFC 1903 in one of your messages above you said, amongst other things, , “I can see improvements and what he's trying to achieve”, can you elaborate on what these improvements are and exactly what it is that Glass is trying to achieve because I’m struggling with to see either of these. Thanks.

[RED_JOHN]

2 hours ago, Matt Armstrong's Dog said:

You ken a lot min. Every tried going on Mastermind? You would be a shoe-in for the quiz.

#RIPMagnusMagnusson

It was never one of my favourite quiz programmes. 

[Tommy]

It’ll be fun in here next May after lifting the Scottish cup and finishing 4th when we talk of the days there were calls for Glass to be binned in October.

?

[afc1903mad]

2 minutes ago, Itsagoal said:

AFC 1903 in one of your messages above you said, amongst other things, , “I can see improvements and what he's trying to achieve”, can you elaborate on what these improvements are and exactly what it is that Glass is trying to achieve because I’m struggling with to see either of these. Thanks.

I’ve repeated this a number of times cross a number of threads.

I’d just be repeating myself again to go over it, if you can’t find , I’ll forward you a link to one of the many posts

[afc1903mad]

6 minutes ago, RED_JOHN said:

Some chess player you would be. Pitiful!

Did you ever progress from draughts? ?

[Matt Armstrong's Dog]

4 minutes ago, RED_JOHN said:

It was never one of my favourite quiz programmes. 

Try Tenable instead as you sound like a hun infiltrator min.

[shooftahmooftah]

4 minutes ago, Tommy said:

It’ll be fun in here next May after lifting the Scottish cup and finishing 4th when we talk of the days there were calls for Glass to be binned in October.

?

 

The NHS will be shut down after having calls from 15000 Aberdeen supporters for depression and mental health issues , after Cove  or Elgin knock the dons out of the cup, and their in the championship after being relegated. 

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Tommy said:

It’ll be fun in here next May after lifting the Scottish cup and finishing 4th when we talk of the days there were calls for Glass to be binned in October.

?

The one clean sheet since DC hired his mate makes me beg to differ min.

We, as Dons fans, want to be challenging at the top end of the table and winning cups.

But, unfortunately, we are nowhere near the form required to realise such ambitions, and it may be some time before we are.

The balance of the team, and the club for that matter, is just not right at this time.

[Ernie McCracken]

19 minutes ago, Tommy said:

It’ll be fun in here next May after lifting the Scottish cup and finishing 4th when we talk of the days there were calls for Glass to be binned in October.

?

Yeah basking in the Glory of winning the Scottish Cup, talking of the days there were calls for Glass to be binned in October and saying thank fuck that Cormack actually binned him. ?

[aberdeen1970]

1 hour ago, thurso said:

Have any of the games this season have we been completely outplayed 

Having possession doesn't matter if you're regularly losing. 

 

 

[aberdeen1970]

1 hour ago, afc1903mad said:

Qarabag (home and away) and Hacken (away) are the only three that we've been outplayed imo

If you're getting beat then you're getting outplayed by the only measure that really matters 

[afc1903mad]

15 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said:

If you're getting beat then you're getting outplayed by the only measure that really matters 

You don’t really need to watch the games then.

Just get the results online.

p.S. Does anyone miss the Green Final?