Match Thread Scotland vs Moldova & Denmark - 12/11 and 15/11

[Ten Caat]

2 hours ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said:

Tierneys folks moved back to Scotland before he even turned 1!! He's hardly going to turn his back on Scotland to play for an isle of man select

Born in IOM is the same as being born in the Channel Islands...........you qualify to represent any of the UK countries

[thurso]

3 hours ago, Poodler said:

I hope Nathan Patterson plays, for the benefit of the Gaylord forum. 
 

two teams. I despair 

Ralston is more deserving for a cap than Patterson 

[thurso]

1 hour ago, Ten Caat said:

Born in IOM is the same as being born in the Channel Islands...........you qualify to represent any of the UK countries

Matt le tissier should of picked Scotland 

[aberdeen1970]

Ralston is absolutely shit. 

Makes O'Donnell look like Cafu 

[Byrne Baby Byrne]

4 hours ago, Ten Caat said:

Born in IOM is the same as being born in the Channel Islands...........you qualify to represent any of the UK countries

aye but you just said he qualifies through the parent rule. Rather than the fact he qualifies due to spending virtually his entire life in Scotland. 
 

it’s like saying Shaun Maloney is Malaysian or Neale Cooper was Indian!

[thurso]

3 hours ago, aberdeen1970 said:

Ralston is absolutely shit. 

Makes O'Donnell look like Cafu 

Not sure about that one ralston is getting good reports every game 

[Itsagoal]

8 hours ago, Byrne Baby Byrne said:

Tierneys folks moved back to Scotland before he even turned 1!! He's hardly going to turn his back on Scotland to play for an isle of man select

Also Tierney’ s parents are Scottish, grandparents are Scottish. 

[aberdeen1970]

8 hours ago, thurso said:

Not sure about that one ralston is getting good reports every game 

I've watched him play a few times, including against us. 

 

He's hopeless. 

 

Should be nowhere near the Scotland squad.  Only being touted because he's Scottish and plays for Celtic. Same as they push any Scottish player at Huns or Celtic. 

[Ten Caat]

30 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said:

I've watched him play a few times, including against us. 

 

He's hopeless. 

 

Should be nowhere near the Scotland squad.  Only being touted because he's Scottish and plays for Celtic. Same as they push any Scottish player at Huns or Celtic. 

Correct

Both Ramsay and Patterson are in a different league ability wise to Ralston. The Celtic fans thought he was a pile of shite themselves until this season

[thurso]

3 hours ago, aberdeen1970 said:

I've watched him play a few times, including against us. 

 

He's hopeless. 

 

Should be nowhere near the Scotland squad.  Only being touted because he's Scottish and plays for Celtic. Same as they push any Scottish player at Huns or Celtic. 

He’s probably the best Scottish right back playing regularly right now. 

I would of said that was ramsay but he’s injured. Young hickey is doing ok in Italy, he can play right back but is more playing at left back so do t think he can get picked yet 

[aberdeen1970]

1 hour ago, thurso said:

He’s probably the best Scottish right back playing regularly right now. 

I would of said that was ramsay but he’s injured. Young hickey is doing ok in Italy, he can play right back but is more playing at left back so do t think he can get picked yet 

I think O'Donnell is better than Ralston, and that's recognising O'Donnell's many weaknesses 

[thurso]

31 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said:

I think O'Donnell is better than Ralston, and that's recognising O'Donnell's many weaknesses 

I wouldn’t say there is much between the two O’Donnell is probably a steady pro with many limitations who only got in the squad as there was no one else but ralston is maybe slightly better technically. 
 

Ramsay is way better than both but sadly he’s injured or id be calling for him to be in the squad. 

[Byrne Baby Byrne]

Fuck me we’re all talking about picking players who are playing regularly and well for their clubs….. and here’s Niall McGinn straight into the Northern Ireland squad again ? 

a country who until very recently youd have to say were doing better than Scotland! Josh magennis 63 caps ?

[Don_Corleone]

22 hours ago, Ten Caat said:

I really don't like giving players caps who only have a Scottish grandparent. But you cannot choose where you are born, that's down to your parents so I don't have any objections to those with a Scottish parent being allowed into the international scene. I believe this guy that plays for Stoke has a Scottish mother so I'm going to accept him and hopefully he turns out to be a great addition. I'd never even heard of him before the call up so I've honestly no idea what to expect. McTominay, Dykes and Tierney all qualify through this rule.

Adams on the other hand only qualifies for us via the grandparent rule. But what is worse is that we clearly weren't his first choice. He qualifies for Antigua and Barbuda via his father but turned them down 6 years back. Scotland then approached him initially in 2017 but he turned us down as he wanted to keep his options open.....clearly England were his first choice. As far as I'm concerned he should never have been asked again. However we did and to be fair to him, he's always performed fairly well for us although Dykes has by far the better scoring record. Liam Cooper is the other player in the squad who qualifies via the grandparent rule. As I said i'm not in favour of it but to his credit, Cooper declared himself Scottish as a young loon and represented us in youth internationals at U17 and U19 levels

Yeah, I think each case should be looked at individually - I mean there's a big difference between someone who was born in England but who has lived their entire life in Scotland, parents and grandparents Scottish, and genuinely loves Scotland.... and someone like Adams who had probably never been to Scotland and who didn't really want to play for us until it looked like we were heading for the Euros. 

 

[jamiesd]

O'Donnell is bloody honking. He should be nowhere near the squad.  Patterson and Ralston both streets ahead and if Ramsay was fit him also.  Unless he is being played in the difficult holding tea in the changing room role he shouldn't be in it.

[Andy_123]

44 minutes ago, Don_Corleone said:

Yeah, I think each case should be looked at individually - I mean there's a big difference between someone who was born in England but who has lived their entire life in Scotland, parents and grandparents Scottish, and genuinely loves Scotland.... and someone like Adams who had probably never been to Scotland and who didn't really want to play for us until it looked like we were heading for the Euros. 

 

Was it Matt Ritchie who said he'd never even stepped foot in Scotland after his first call up?

[Andy_123]

46 minutes ago, Don_Corleone said:

Yeah, I think each case should be looked at individually - I mean there's a big difference between someone who was born in England but who has lived their entire life in Scotland, parents and grandparents Scottish, and genuinely loves Scotland.... and someone like Adams who had probably never been to Scotland and who didn't really want to play for us until it looked like we were heading for the Euros. 

 

If a player qualifies to play for us through whatever rule and they are willing to turn up and give 100% then that's fine by me. Every other nation uses it to their advantage when they can.

Our problem is we have spent years calling up guys like Kris Commons, Matt Ritchie, Oli McBurnie etc who don't really give a shit about the Scotland team and didn't / don't put in any effort on the pitch for us.  

 

[Don_Corleone]

6 hours ago, Andy_123 said:

If a player qualifies to play for us through whatever rule and they are willing to turn up and give 100% then that's fine by me. Every other nation uses it to their advantage when they can.

Our problem is we have spent years calling up guys like Kris Commons, Matt Ritchie, Oli McBurnie etc who don't really give a shit about the Scotland team and didn't / don't put in any effort on the pitch for us.  

 

Yeah, you'd imagine that if some guy doing well in the English Championship or wherever has Scottish connections and really WANTS to play for Scotland he would make some noise about it and take the initiative... it seems we have to do extensive research to find some of these guys, who like you say, couldn't care less. McBurnie was brutal, and there's been countless other nomarks in the past who've been given the opportunity millions of us can only dream about, and yet it means nothing to them.

[Ramandu]

36 minutes ago, Don_Corleone said:

Yeah, you'd imagine that if some guy doing well in the English Championship or wherever has Scottish connections and really WANTS to play for Scotland he would make some noise about it and take the initiative... it seems we have to do extensive research to find some of these guys, who like you say, couldn't care less. McBurnie was brutal, and there's been countless other nomarks in the past who've been given the opportunity millions of us can only dream about, and yet it means nothing to them.

McBurnie was brutal and doesn't want to play for us. McTominey is no more Scottish, but seems to really want to play, judging by his interviews. Happy to have folk like him in the team.

[1903Fitba]

Veteran Dundee United defender Charlie Mulgrew says he will be ready for a late Scotland call-up if it comes after Grant Hanley was ruled out of this month's World Cup qualifiers. 
 

…and I’m ready to have a night of gear and passionate love making with Nigella Lawson, sadly it’ll never happen. Daft bastard. 

[jamiesd]

Any predictions for these ones lads?

 

Think it will be a scrappy 1-0 tomorrow and then a horror show next week

[Andy_123]

17 minutes ago, jamiesd said:

Think it will be a scrappy 1-0 tomorrow and then a horror show next week

Fairly certain this is what we’ll see

[thedandydon]

I expect we'll make heavy weather of it but hopefully we get across the line and play out a dead rubber against Denmark.

It would be refreshing if we could smash in a couple of early goals and coast through the 90 minutes so our nerves aren't shredded though.

[Bournemouth Gee]

Lose to Moldova.

Beat Denmark

 

 

[Ten Caat]

Lose in Moldova, scrape a draw v Denmark

[Byrne Baby Byrne]

Israel have to go and win in Austria as well. Scotland to slide through after 2 defeats 

[wicker83]

No chance we're losing to Moldova. None at all.

[BitWait]

We will shit it away in a strange land , similar to Georgia a few years ago , bounce back with a draw v Denmark. Go out on goal difference or something like that , back to being glorious failures like before we got good at penalties.

[JakieBastard]

I see McTominay has been ruled out for the game tomorrow night. Wonder if Ferguson might get a starting spot? 

[aberdeen1970]

2 minutes ago, JakieBastard said:

I see McTominay has been ruled out for the game tomorrow night. Wonder if Ferguson might get a starting spot? 

More chance of McKenna getting a start with Hanley and McTominay both out of the back 3

Will be the same midfield again I think