Ukraine

[NEM]

5 hours ago, Grays Babylon 1875 said:

Putin shags wee boys assholes.

This site isn’t a search engine chief 

[alscotoz]

Have a couple of shandies on Friday night, Consi?

[Guest]

4 hours ago, alscotoz said:

Have a couple of shandies on Friday night, Consi?

Nae really. 
 

Saiturday was a big one. But had better things to be doing than discussing geopolitics with adopted liberal yanks. 
 

 

[Ke1t]

10 hours ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

Nae really. 
 

Saiturday was a big one. But had better things to be doing than discussing geopolitics with adopted liberal yanks. 
 

 

Is that what happened?

Only it seemed what happened was you spouted some misinformed shit about American politics, got corrected, then decided you didn't have time for it all of a sudden, called me some names, then bailed. 

It also seems you might have a problem with 'Yanks'. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Ke1t said:

Is that what happened?

Only it seemed what happened was you spouted some misinformed shit about American politics, got corrected, then decided you didn't have time for it all of a sudden, called me some names, then bailed. 

It also seems you might have a problem with 'Yanks'. 

"Got corrected."

 

Not so sure. 
 

I certainly have a problem with any yank that will sit with a straight face and argue the credibility of either of their political parties. Like it makes any odds that you're an elephant or a donkey. 
 

Edit; 

 

Read it back, wasn't corrected on owt'

 

I just don't have the desire to truly argue with a liberal regarding American policy. 
 

Do you drive around with a dem sticker on your car?

[Guest]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/biden-peter-doocy-fox-news-sob-b1999936.html%3famp
 

The hallmark of American democracy. 
 

A senile old man, forced into a position he clearly no longer has the mental capacity for, all in the name of the American imperialist machine. 
 

Thats progression folks. 
 

Remember, the only thing that matters is that he's not Trump. 

[Guest]

TrUmP tRIed tO sTeAl aN ElEcTiOn 

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2017/11/14/16640082/donna-brazile-warren-bernie-sanders-democratic-primary-rigged

[Ke1t]

47 minutes ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

"Got corrected."

 

Not so sure. 
 

I certainly have a problem with any yank that will sit with a straight face and argue the credibility of either of their political parties. Like it makes any odds that you're an elephant or a donkey. 
 

Edit; 

 

Read it back, wasn't corrected on owt'

 

I just don't have the desire to truly argue with a liberal regarding American policy. 
 

Do you drive around with a dem sticker on your car?

Let's see. 

You claimed Trump was "not politically trained" and therefore had no interest in Foreign affairs like elections in Latin America.  You are wrong. On the contrary, Trump's voting base in Florida... Home of the 'Winter White House' is lousy with Latin Americans, and he's acutely aware that his 'popularity' rests on giving them what they want, meaning his interest in South and Central America is very real, very significant, and driven by personal ambition. He neither ignores Latin America nor can afford to ignore Latin America. 

You claimed 'Biden is probably already doing so'. 'Probably' is no argument. It's worthless speculation. This doesn't even reach the level required for correction. Possibiliter ergo probabiliter. 

You claimed Biden has 'Done fuck all he promised'. Again, you are wrong. Biden has repeatedly attempted to pass legislation to do EXACTLY what he promised. That's what he promised to do. He's the President in a Democracy, not a King or a dictator. He doesn't say it is so therefore it becomes so. The Republican Party refuses to allow this legislation to pass, and McConnell and the Republicans have openly stated that's what they're going to do. 

You claimed everyone knows Trump is a cunt. Once more, you are wrong. Around 30% of the voting base think he's brilliant. Some even think he was chosen by god. 

However, you did just say "I just don't have the desire to truly argue with a liberal regarding American policy. "

... and that's probably the smartest thing you've said in this exchange, because you are woefully under-informed to attempt to do so. 

"Do you drive around with a dem sticker on your car?"

If I thought that was a legitimate question I'd answer it. You're clearly being a passive aggressive little bitch, however, so we'll just leave that as is. 

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, Ke1t said:

Let's see. 

You claimed Trump was "not politically trained" and therefore had no interest in Foreign affairs like elections in Latin America.  You are wrong. On the contrary, Trump's voting base in Florida... Home of the 'Winter White House' is lousy with Latin Americans, and he's acutely aware that his 'popularity' rests on giving them what they want, meaning his interest in South and Central America is very real, very significant, and driven by personal ambition. He neither ignores Latin America nor can afford to ignore Latin America. 

You claimed 'Biden is probably already doing so'. 'Probably' is no argument. It's worthless speculation. This doesn't even reach the level required for correction. Possibiliter ergo probabiliter. 

You claimed Biden has 'Done fuck all he promised'. Again, you are wrong. Biden has repeatedly attempted to pass legislation to do EXACTLY what he promised. That's what he promised to do. He's the President in a Democracy, not a King or a dictator. He doesn't say it is so therefore it becomes so. The Republican Party refuses to allow this legislation to pass, and McConnell and the Republicans have openly stated that's what they're going to do. 

You claimed everyone knows Trump is a cunt. Once more, you are wrong. Around 30% of the voting base think he's brilliant. Some even think he was chosen by god. 

However, you did just say "I just don't have the desire to truly argue with a liberal regarding American policy. "

... and that's probably the smartest thing you've said in this exchange, because you are woefully under-informed to attempt to do so. 

"Do you drive around with a dem sticker on your car?"

If I thought that was a legitimate question I'd answer it. You're clearly being a passive aggressive little bitch, however, so we'll just leave that as is. 

1.) I meant he's not interested in the way someone like Biden would be interested. It's personally driven, he doesn't really appear to get the historic USA meddling in that region of the world. That's what I meant. To my knowledge Trump wasn't willingly overthrowing any socialist governments to keep the market open to American corporations, as they are one to do. Biden knows that game. We see it in Venezuela. 
 

2.) Yeah, I said probably without having absolute facts to hand, in my heart of hearts I've no doubt that senile old imperialist cocksucker is trying to meddle the pig hoofs of the American state into the lives of SA people's and beyond. 
 

3.) Why can't Biden implement real change? Because it's a farce of a democracy. People who represent corporate interests are allowed to run the rule over an elected leader. That's America though, it's why I can't understand anyone participating actively. Like, actually thinking one side is particularly bad over the other.  Biden has also outright stated to his rich donors that "nothing would fundamentally change" should he be elected. https://www.salon.com/2019/06/19/joe-biden-to-rich-donors-nothing-would-fundamentally-change-if-hes-elected/
 

So really, he's just living up to his own promise there. 'Don't you worry richies, I won't let these working class plebs escape from the shackles of American capitalism for even one minute!'
 

4.) I should've spoken clearer on Trump. Anyone reasonable knows he's a Cunt. I'd argue anyone reasonable knows Biden is a cunt as well. 
 

Tit for tat over this issue between people like you and I is pointless. 
 

You're approaching American politics from a viewpoint of its legitimacy, where as I am not. 
 

I was on the wind up the other day chief, and wish you no ill. 
 

Enjoy the match ?
 

 

[Clydeside_Sheep]

If Russia wants to annex Ukraine, it will.  The west will do nothing but bleat, just as they did nothing when Russian annexed the crimea. 

Things like the UK sending anti-tank weapons is just face saving to say "we did our bit".

Biden is a senile clown and already largely disliked by the US electorate. He cant even discuss the matter without gifting Putin via various faux paus. 

Only recently, he had the US running out of Afghanistan with their tail between their legs, another Saigon, yet people think he might front up to the Russians here?  Aye, right.

Which western leader might come anywhere close to Putin, as regards willingness to accept casualties over the Ukraine?  Biden?  Johnston?  Macron?  The guy Sholz in Germany, who is just in the door?  These are people concerned with things like trans rights and climate change.  Very different people to a man like Vladimir Putin.

What would western (european anyway) leaders gain from fighting in Ukraine? Nothing but military embarrassment, bad poll ratings and their country's gas shut off.

My guess is that russia is just playing.  They didnt annex crimea and other places by a conventional invasion, but by stealth - "little green men" with no military insignia appearing, arming pro-russian groups etc.  I think they are just showing they could invade, if the mood took them.

Given the news media is concentrating on Boris Johnston's birthday party, I guess they are not too concerned either.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

On 12/15/2021 at 2:12 PM, Poodler said:

Isn’t the Russian army a bit shit?

People always think the Russians are shit, and then pay the price ultimately (even if they do well at first).

Ask Napoleon.  Ask Hitler.

 

[Ke1t]

2 hours ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

1.) I meant he's not interested in the way someone like Biden would be interested. It's personally driven, he doesn't really appear to get the historic USA meddling in that region of the world. That's what I meant. To my knowledge Trump wasn't willingly overthrowing any socialist governments to keep the market open to American corporations, as they are one to do. Biden knows that game. We see it in Venezuela. 
 

2.) Yeah, I said probably without having absolute facts to hand, in my heart of hearts I've no doubt that senile old imperialist cocksucker is trying to meddle the pig hoofs of the American state into the lives of SA people's and beyond. 
 

3.) Why can't Biden implement real change? Because it's a farce of a democracy. People who represent corporate interests are allowed to run the rule over an elected leader. That's America though, it's why I can't understand anyone participating actively. Like, actually thinking one side is particularly bad over the other.  Biden has also outright stated to his rich donors that "nothing would fundamentally change" should he be elected. https://www.salon.com/2019/06/19/joe-biden-to-rich-donors-nothing-would-fundamentally-change-if-hes-elected/
 

So really, he's just living up to his own promise there. 'Don't you worry richies, I won't let these working class plebs escape from the shackles of American capitalism for even one minute!'
 

4.) I should've spoken clearer on Trump. Anyone reasonable knows he's a Cunt. I'd argue anyone reasonable knows Biden is a cunt as well. 
 

Tit for tat over this issue between people like you and I is pointless. 
 

You're approaching American politics from a viewpoint of its legitimacy, where as I am not. 
 

I was on the wind up the other day chief, and wish you no ill. 
 

Enjoy the match ?
 

 

In the spirit of de-escalation, and for future reference, I'm not a Democrat and I'm not a 'Liberal'. 

People tend to forget there's a broad political spectrum, and you don't have to be part of any major political ideology. 

My actual political leaning is Anarcho-Syndicalism, my pragmatic politics are as far Left as possible within the mainstream. 

 

[manboobs109]

16 minutes ago, Clydeside_Sheep said:

If Russia wants to annex Ukraine, it will.  The west will do nothing but bleat, just as they did nothing when Russian annexed the crimea. 

Things like the UK sending anti-tank weapons is just face saving to say "we did our bit".

Biden is a senile clown and already largely disliked by the US electorate. He cant even discuss the matter without gifting Putin via various faux paus. 

Only recently, he had the US running out of Afghanistan with their tail between their legs, another Saigon, yet people think he might front up to the Russians here?  Aye, right.

Which western leader might come anywhere close to Putin, as regards willingness to accept casualties over the Ukraine?  Biden?  Johnston?  Macron?  The guy Sholz in Germany, who is just in the door?  These are people concerned with things like trans rights and climate change.  Very different people to a man like Vladimir Putin.

What would western (european anyway) leaders gain from fighting in Ukraine? Nothing but military embarrassment, bad poll ratings and their country's gas shut off.

My guess is that russia is just playing.  They didnt annex crimea and other places by a conventional invasion, but by stealth - "little green men" with no military insignia appearing, arming pro-russian groups etc.  I think they are just showing they could invade, if the mood took them.

Given the news media is concentrating on Boris Johnston's birthday party, I guess they are not too concerned either.

He must laugh his cock off when cunts like Liz Truss try to threaten him.

I just wish we'd keep our fucking snouts out.

[Ke1t]

4 minutes ago, manboobs109 said:

He must laugh his cock off when cunts like Liz Truss try to threaten him.

I just wish we'd keep our fucking snouts out.

She was sitting on a tank. 

Nothing says "I'm super-srs" like sitting on a tank. 

I think Putin got the message. 

[RedArmyFakshun]

All of these political leaders are ultimately on the same side

Sure they disagree on the flavour of their ice cream, but that's as far as it goes

Bill Clinton or Joe Biden a democrat, and Bush or Trump a republican ?

Its pure baloney, its just theatre, and the same is true on the international stage

Rumours of war are nothing more than a boost for arms industry share value

[Redforever86]

7 minutes ago, RedArmyFakshun said:

All of these political leaders are ultimately on the same side

Sure they disagree on the flavour of their ice cream, but that's as far as it goes

Bill Clinton or Joe Biden a democrat, and Bush or Trump a republican ?

Its pure baloney, its just theatre, and the same is true on the international stage

Rumours of war are nothing more than a boost for arms industry share value

*CRINE*

[RedArmyFakshun]

58 minutes ago, Ke1t said:

My actual political leaning is Anarcho-Syndicalism

For sure i see that in you, which makes your hardcore stance on corporate vaccines utterly incomprehensible

 

[RedArmyFakshun]

3 minutes ago, Sooper-hanz said:

Great at managing Hibs

lol well after a few games in charge you'd have to say its been a mixed bag of results, nicht war

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Ke1t said:

In the spirit of de-escalation, and for future reference, I'm not a Democrat and I'm not a 'Liberal'. 

People tend to forget there's a broad political spectrum, and you don't have to be part of any major political ideology. 

My actual political leaning is Anarcho-Syndicalism, my pragmatic politics are as far Left as possible within the mainstream. 

 

We probably agree on more than we thought. 

[Ke1t]

11 minutes ago, RedArmyFakshun said:

For sure i see that in you, which makes your hardcore stance on corporate vaccines utterly incomprehensible

 

Not at all, and there's a couple of reasons it shouldn't surprise you. 

First and foremost, there's not a human on the planet who has 100% unwavering internal logic. We all have various degrees of cognitive dissonance. The political Right, for example, is extraordinarily vocal about being Pro-Life, yet they're also the first group of people to demand the death sentence. The political Left claims to be about Liberte', Egalite', and Fraternite', yet they allow guys like Stalin to run the show, without a counter-revolution to stop him. 

Second, the vaccine is a matter of health for the community. If something threatens the community then it needs to be dealt with. The community, be it 30 people or 300,000,000 people should be acting in a way they believe is for the good of the community. There are members of every community who are vulnerable, and they need to be protected. Therefore, get vaccinated  If someone is running around setting fires, it's on the Community to prevent this behaviour, or go to the member of their community who offers security services and have him or her prevent it. If there's no-one in the community able to do that, then one of the various other communes may have a guy with a big stick who can stop him... in exchange for, say, a chicken or a laptop, supplied by the guy who raises chickens, or the guy who makes laptops. 

 

 

 

[RedArmyFakshun]

11 minutes ago, Ke1t said:

There are members of every community who are vulnerable, and they need to be protected. Therefore, get vaccinated

Ok, so i accept the internal logic of that, but when it becomes obvious that the corporate vaccines do not achieve that goal (everyone must get vaccinated because that will prevent transmission to the vulnerable) then its time to realise the error and drop the cognitive dissonance.

i cannot discuss this further because i am inebriated, however i am fairly convinced of my reasoning

 

[Clydeside_Sheep]

11 minutes ago, Ke1t said:

We all have various degrees of cognitive dissonance. The political Right, for example, is extraordinarily vocal about being Pro-Life, yet they're also the first group of people to demand the death sentence.

In fact there is no contradiction between being anti-abortion and pro death penalty at all. 

In one case, people object to the killing of an innocent life, purely on grounds of convenience - because those who created it do not want to take responsibility for their own actions.

In the other case, people recognise that it is reasonable in limited circumstances, for the most serious crimes, to put someone to death as punishment.

There is no equivalence or comparison whatsoever.  You would have to be an idiot to think so.

The false dichotomy here is a desperate tactic of the abortion lobby.  A new one (which I just saw today) is to claim that people who object to abortion are actually white supremacists. Strange, given that black babies are hugely disproportionate victims of abortion in the US.  

Personally, I am anti abortion (as any decent and informed person should be) but have no strong opinion on the death penalty.  I think however that you could argue that it more cruel to incarcerate someone for their entire life, than to execute them.

[maryhilldon]

38 minutes ago, Ke1t said:

There are members of every community who are vulnerable, and they need to be protected. Therefore, get vaccinated  

Isn't it enough to just vaccinate the vulnerable?  It's not as if the vaccine stops transmission. 

[Ke1t]

22 minutes ago, maryhilldon said:

Isn't it enough to just vaccinate the vulnerable?  It's not as if the vaccine stops transmission. 

I don't know enough about current research to agree or disagree. 

Last I was aware, unvaccinated populations were considered a breeding ground for variants, and variants are a threat to the vulnerable. 

So it would, with that in mind, be sensible to vaccinate everyone. 

 

[Redforever86]

You'd have to be mental to invade Kiev. Ukraine fit I mean?

[maryhilldon]

19 minutes ago, Ke1t said:

I don't know enough about current research to agree or disagree. 

Cool.

[maryhilldon]

21 minutes ago, Ke1t said:

 

Last I was aware, unvaccinated populations were considered 

'considered' means nothing. Only data matters, and the vast majority of people in hospital with COVID in Scotland recently have had 2 jabs at least. 

[Ke1t]

20 minutes ago, maryhilldon said:

* 'considered' means nothing.

** Only data matters, and the vast majority of people in hospital with COVID in Scotland recently have had 2 jabs at least. 

* It does when those saying it are qualified virologists. 

** What are the numbers of dead who've had two jabs at least. 

[Ke1t]

39 minutes ago, maryhilldon said:

Cool.

I know. 

[Poodler]

9 hours ago, Clydeside_Sheep said:

In fact there is no contradiction between being anti-abortion and pro death penalty at all. 

In one case, people object to the killing of an innocent life, purely on grounds of convenience - because those who created it do not want to take responsibility for their own actions.

In the other case, people recognise that it is reasonable in limited circumstances, for the most serious crimes, to put someone to death as punishment.

There is no equivalence or comparison whatsoever.  You would have to be an idiot to think so.

The false dichotomy here is a desperate tactic of the abortion lobby.  A new one (which I just saw today) is to claim that people who object to abortion are actually white supremacists. Strange, given that black babies are hugely disproportionate victims of abortion in the US.  

Personally, I am anti abortion (as any decent and informed person should be) but have no strong opinion on the death penalty.  I think however that you could argue that it more cruel to incarcerate someone for their entire life, than to execute them.

It’s been a while, brother!