Connor Barron

[zeroisgod76]

6 minutes ago, Dynamo said:

Why? It happened. Most clubs have a glut of trophies during successful spells. 

 

I know... as i said in a comment further on 'Thankfully we never have to take that era out of the equation as it happened, it happened to us and we will live with those amazing memories forever. '

But the fact is that it has skewed our expectations. Something like 60% of the trophies in our 120 year history came in that 10 year spell. Without it we'd have a bang average history, averaging a trophy every 13 years.

[zeroisgod76]

1 hour ago, Helmet said:

We've had 25 years of a 10 team/12 team top league now and that's absolutely killed any chance of a provincial team ever winning it unfortunately.

Cups we should have done better in over that period really.

It was a 10 team league when we dominated in the early 80's/ Have had 10/12 teams since 1976.

I do agree that there's no chance of a provincial team ever winning it though (without investment from a sugar daddy).

Since 86 we are actually above average for cup wins (4 in 36 years) compared to the period before the glory years. Apart from that 10 year spell we've never been a team that regularly wins trophies.

[NEM]

9 hours ago, pocrawred said:

Have we a fight on to keep young Connor??

 

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/8991862/celtic-connor-barron-transfer-battle-aberdeen/

Great article that 

"Jim Goodwin is a big fan of the youngster and wants to keep him but has already set his sights on potential replacements.

He could raid old club St Mirren for Conor Ronan and Jamie McGrath."

 

Raid St Mirren for Wolves and Wigan players? ?

[Andy_123]

Unless we get a stupid bid for him, I wouldn't be selling him now. Mainly because we don't even have a decent starting 11 as it is (let alone a decent squad), and selling one of the few decent players we currently have is only going to make our recruitment this summer even more extensive than it already has to be.

[shut up meg]

4 hours ago, Helmet said:

We've had 25 years of a 10 team/12 team top league now and that's absolutely killed any chance of a provincial team ever winning it unfortunately.

Cups we should have done better in over that period really.

We've had nearly 50 years, the top league changed to 10 teams mid 70s.

David Murray followed by the onset of the champions league has fucked the league ( the leagues a bogie in nearly all other European leagues as well)

[Helmet]

27 minutes ago, shut up meg said:

We've had nearly 50 years, the top league changed to 10 teams mid 70s.

David Murray followed by the onset of the champions league has fucked the league ( the leagues a bogie in nearly all other European leagues as well)

You're correct, I was thinking of the premiership breakaway.

Point for me is that playing Celtic and Rangers 4 times each in a league campaign pretty much makes it impossible for a good Hearts or Aberdeen to challenge them over a season.

 

[Don_Corleone]

Scotland U21s are playing Denmark tonight... suspect tomorrow we'll be reading about other scouts allegedly watching Barron in that game. Not sure if it's available to watch on BBC or Youtube like some of the other games have been.

Just checked - it's on BBC - 5pm kick off tonight.

[zeroisgod76]

29 minutes ago, Helmet said:

You're correct, I was thinking of the premiership breakaway.

Point for me is that playing Celtic and Rangers 4 times each in a league campaign pretty much makes it impossible for a good Hearts or Aberdeen to challenge them over a season.

 

Them two having finances that dwarfs the rest of the teams in the Premier League all put together doesn't help also. And yet still some people think them doing well in Europe is good for Scottish football.

[Millertime]

1 hour ago, zeroisgod76 said:

Them two having finances that dwarfs the rest of the teams in the Premier League all put together doesn't help also. And yet still some people think them doing well in Europe is good for Scottish football.

If they hadn't done well in Europe, there wouldn't be automatic group stage football for hearts

Do you not think they then think that's a good thing?

[fine-n-dandy]

6 minutes ago, Millertime said:

If they hadn't done well in Europe, there wouldn't be automatic group stage football for hearts

Do you not think they then think that's a good thing?

What? are you asking if the mini Huns wanted their big brothers to do well in Europe? 

[zeroisgod76]

2 minutes ago, Millertime said:

If they hadn't done well in Europe, there wouldn't be automatic group stage football for hearts

Do you not think they then think that's a good thing?

Not really? Not if it increases the gulf between them and the rest of us. Hearts will get 6 games in the group stages of (probably) the Conference League and will pick up about £3-4 million. Great money for them sure,  but when the reason for that is Rangers picking up around £40 million in prize money in one year then no its not a good thing.

Celtic are in the Champions League group stages and Rangers probably have a decent chance of getting there too. Thats a guaranteed £13 million each in prize money just for getting there, both get a couple of wins and draws and there's another £5-6 million, get out of the group and its another £8 million. Add in TV rights, gate receipts etc. The gulf will continue to rise and they'll continue to pull away from the rest of us.

So no, fuck them. Rather they were knocked out in qualifiers every year.

[NEM]

2 minutes ago, zeroisgod76 said:

Not really? Not if it increases the gulf between them and the rest of us. Hearts will get 6 games in the group stages of (probably) the Conference League and will pick up about £3-4 million. Great money for them sure,  but when the reason for that is Rangers picking up around £40 million in prize money in one year then no its not a good thing.

Celtic are in the Champions League group stages and Rangers probably have a decent chance of getting there too. Thats a guaranteed £13 million each in prize money just for getting there, both get a couple of wins and draws and there's another £5-6 million, get out of the group and its another £8 million. Add in TV rights, gate receipts etc. The gulf will continue to rise and they'll continue to pull away from the rest of us.

So no, fuck them. Rather they were knocked out in qualifiers every year.

Your best post to date, keep it up.

 

FTH

[Itsagoal]

7 minutes ago, zeroisgod76 said:

Not really? Not if it increases the gulf between them and the rest of us. Hearts will get 6 games in the group stages of (probably) the Conference League and will pick up about £3-4 million. Great money for them sure,  but when the reason for that is Rangers picking up around £40 million in prize money in one year then no its not a good thing.

Celtic are in the Champions League group stages and Rangers probably have a decent chance of getting there too. Thats a guaranteed £13 million each in prize money just for getting there, both get a couple of wins and draws and there's another £5-6 million, get out of the group and its another £8 million. Add in TV rights, gate receipts etc. The gulf will continue to rise and they'll continue to pull away from the rest of us.

So no, fuck them. Rather they were knocked out in qualifiers every year.

Totally agree. The gulf between them and the rest has never been wider and will continue to widen as long as UEFA continues to dole out ridiculous amounts. Unfortunately all European leagues have headed or are heading this way. Shame on UEFA  who should be encouraging competition and not stifling it.

[Broken_Glass]

UEFA have no interest in anything other than money. Corrupted to the core.

[zeroisgod76]

5 minutes ago, Broken_Glass said:

UEFA have no interest in anything other than money. Corrupted to the core.

Something we can agree on ?

[SupportmeansSUPPORT]

5 hours ago, NEM said:

Great article that 

"Jim Goodwin is a big fan of the youngster and wants to keep him but has already set his sights on potential replacements.

He could raid old club St Mirren for Conor Ronan and Jamie McGrath."

 

Raid St Mirren for Wolves and Wigan players? ?

and just to top it off the next line of the report says we are also in for Joe Rothwell from Blackburn now that he has been released, instead of Jacob Davenport who is the one we are interested in.

"And Joe Rothwell, whose contract at Blackburn Rovers is expiring, is also a reported target."

Rothwell was offered a big contract by Blackburn but turned it turn and expected to sign for either Fulham, Forest or Bournemouth on huge money and there is no chance he is coming up here

[Don_Corleone]

Turns out Barron is suspended tonight. Was looking forward to watching him, but think I'll give the game a miss now.

[Itsagoal]

2 hours ago, Broken_Glass said:

UEFA have no interest in anything other than money. Corrupted to the core.

Totally agree.

[Millertime]

3 hours ago, zeroisgod76 said:

Not really? Not if it increases the gulf between them and the rest of us. Hearts will get 6 games in the group stages of (probably) the Conference League and will pick up about £3-4 million. Great money for them sure,  but when the reason for that is Rangers picking up around £40 million in prize money in one year then no its not a good thing.

Celtic are in the Champions League group stages and Rangers probably have a decent chance of getting there too. Thats a guaranteed £13 million each in prize money just for getting there, both get a couple of wins and draws and there's another £5-6 million, get out of the group and its another £8 million. Add in TV rights, gate receipts etc. The gulf will continue to rise and they'll continue to pull away from the rest of us.

So no, fuck them. Rather they were knocked out in qualifiers every year.

It's 4m more than hearts (or us if we qualified) would have got if those 2 hadn't done well in Europe

So, its up to hearts to use that wisely and improve 

[Millertime]

3 hours ago, fine-n-dandy said:

What? are you asking if the mini Huns wanted their big brothers to do well in Europe? 

I dont mean you any ill will but I haven't been and won't be replying to you; you're somebody I get absolutely nothing from

Just to save you effort, no hard feelings

[JamieMT]

5 minutes ago, Millertime said:

It's 4m more than hearts (or us if we qualified) would have got if those 2 hadn't done well in Europe

So, its up to hearts to use that wisely and improve 

Hearts have benefitted in the short-term from the Glasgow clubs performance in Europe. Regardless of how they use the money, the financial gulf between Hearts and the top two has still widened further. That's to the detriment of every other club in Scotland, Hearts included.

[ericblack4boss]

The massive gulf seems to coincide with the changes made to the European cup is to champions League, Europa cup etc, as usual all about money for them,  if anyone actually believes that UEFA, FIFA , SFA, SPFL, and indeed clubs have any concern or any kind of respect for the supporters then they are sadly mistaken

[Millertime]

44 minutes ago, JamieMT said:

Hearts have benefitted in the short-term from the Glasgow clubs performance in Europe. Regardless of how they use the money, the financial gulf between Hearts and the top two has still widened further. That's to the detriment of every other club in Scotland, Hearts included.

It's the wrong way to look at it

One of those 2 gets that money most seasons, so nothing new there

4m to hearts is massive and steadily, if they use it wisely, they will get better and better

Thats a great thing for them

[Millertime]

Just now, ericblack4boss said:

The massive gulf seems to coincide with the changes made to the European cup is to champions League, Europa cup etc, as usual all about money for them,  if anyone actually believes that UEFA, FIFA , SFA, SPFL, and indeed clubs have any concern or any kind of respect for the supporters then they are sadly mistaken

What do you mean "all money for them"

The team finishing 3rd is thanks to them, guaranteed European groups and 4m 

They wouldn't have got that otherwise 

[Broken_Glass]

1 hour ago, Millertime said:

It's the wrong way to look at it

One of those 2 gets that money most seasons, so nothing new there

4m to hearts is massive and steadily, if they use it wisely, they will get better and better

Thats a great thing for them

Pay off their debt?

[fine-n-dandy]

3 hours ago, Millertime said:

I dont mean you any ill will but I haven't been and won't be replying to you; you're somebody I get absolutely nothing from

Just to save you effort, no hard feelings

So selfish

 

typical you

[Itsagoal]

So Millertime, Celtic and maybe Rangers get £40m odd million; whoever is 3rd gets £4m; the rest get peanuts or nothing.

so whoever is 3rd needs to “use that money wisely”. Agreed. But using it wisely will only likely ensure more 3rd places as the resources of Celtic and Rangers dwarf the other clubs, including whoever finishes third.

[Millertime]

21 minutes ago, Itsagoal said:

So Millertime, Celtic and maybe Rangers get £40m odd million; whoever is 3rd gets £4m; the rest get peanuts or nothing.

so whoever is 3rd needs to “use that money wisely”. Agreed. But using it wisely will only likely ensure more 3rd places as the resources of Celtic and Rangers dwarf the other clubs, including whoever finishes third.

Yep

The Glasgow 2 get that money anyway

Only difference now is the others are getting a return for their efforts 

[ABERDEENROWIE1903]

We all the the European history of the Huns.

One bad season in Europe and they are financially fucked 

They got lucky last couple of season's they won't sustain it

There expenditure surpasses their income they run the club on loans

They cannot run a club on income from the SPL and gate receipts only we can,  we budget for it

European competion is financial bonus for us are problem we cannot reach the group stages and we will miss European income next season 

Hopefully we are back in Europe the following  season

 

 

[JamieMT]

8 minutes ago, Itsagoal said:

So Millertime, Celtic and maybe Rangers get £40m odd million; whoever is 3rd gets £4m; the rest get peanuts or nothing.

so whoever is 3rd needs to “use that money wisely”. Agreed. But using it wisely will only likely ensure more 3rd places as the resources of Celtic and Rangers dwarf the other clubs, including whoever finishes third.

Exactly. Even if as MT says, it's a great thing for Hearts, the reality is it serves only to solidify their place as Scotland's third team. They still drift further from the top two and the rest of us from them. It's not to the benefit of Scottish football and the same would be true were we in Hearts position. The sad truth is vast wealth has ruined football across the board and i'm not sure there's a fix.

That said, the most i've enjoyed Scottish football since the early 90s was when Rangers went to the wall. Yes i took immense pleasure in the Huns ceasing to exist, but the league in a sense became so much more competitive. Even if admittedly Celtic continued to rule the roost.

The attitude of other clubs fans was exactly the same at the time, with two exceptions. Fans of the phoenix club obviously and Celtic fans who griped about no longer having their rivalry. I know a good few Celtic fans who stopped going to Parkhead once the bigot derby was done. I also know a "Rangers fan" who switched to Hearts while the 3D print of Rangers was playing in the lower leagues. Who then switched back once they were in the top flight.

I guess the long and short of it is, football's broken. But if Celtic & Sevco were to go to the wall, Scottish football would be infinity better off for it. And f*ck European football.