Summer 2022 Transfer Window

[Durrant Dived]

16 hours ago, Tord31 said:

Every man and his dog at St Johnstone are  out of contract.

Surely one ends up here

 

16 hours ago, Durrant Dived said:

Hendry as back up striker.

 

27 minutes ago, DD1903 said:

Nope

Don't talk pish.

[sooth_stander]

48 minutes ago, SupportmeansSUPPORT said:

I disagree with regards to the having a young player sitting on the bench. I think the likes of Harvey and Hanratty will learn a lot more playing 90 minutes in a lower league against experienced professionals than they would coming on for the odd 5 or 10-15 mins at the end of games here. Or if injuries hit and they get thrown in for starts before they are really ready, then they get the fury of fans who are abusing them as not good enough within a few games.

I've seen lots of people on here saying we should have our own youngsters on the bench instead of bringing in squad players or loans from other clubs. Obviously if a young player is outstanding and truly at the level in terms of quality of ability and physicality to go straight into the first team at a young age that's fine but if we don't think they are ready to start games in SPL i think we should loan them out until they are ready rather than keep them on bench for a few minutes. 

St Johnstone's successful back 3 of last season with Jason Kerr, McCart, Liam Gordon and also Ali McCann in midfield were examples of players who progressed and developed on loan at lower levels. Same with Josh Doig and Campbell at Hibs. This season we had success with Barron.

I don't believe if we had kept Connor with us at the start of the season he would be at the level he is at now, the loan at Kelty playing regular games really brought him on. That's why i would like us to continue to loan out as many as possible again next season. 

We should see if we can get Ngwenya playing for maybe Cove in the Championship now they have lost their left back to Partick. He has improved at Kelty but not yet ready for spl and having him sit on our bench next season will only stall his progress.

Same with Ryan Duncan, hopefully we manage to really strengthen in the forward area's this summer so we can let him go out on loan until Jan again when hopefully he could replicate what Connor did this season and slot into the team for 2nd half of season. He has a lot of ability, great attitude from what I hear. And he will get better with more game time and experience playing regular fitba for maybe Inverness, Arbroath or possibly even Cove again rather than sat on our bench. 

Some great points.

However, Ryan Duncan is ready NOW, in my opinion.  I wouldn’t be sending him out on loan anywhere.

I’m sure he’d have played those last 3 or so games for us after Peterhead’s season’s ended,  had it not been some some archaic SFA rules but even if Ronan and/or McGrath arrive next season, I’d be integrating him into the squad too

[Tommy]

7 minutes ago, sooth_stander said:

 

However, Ryan Duncan is ready NOW. I wouldn’t be sending him out on loan anywhere.

If he’s as good as many say then he deserves to be involved.

Ngwenya is 20 this year, he’s surely deserving of the chance too.

Cooper, Hewitt, Simmie and Black were all under 20 and look at what they achieved.

[thurso]

1 hour ago, Broken_Glass said:

2 of whom are not strikers and 1 who is apparently going to be released due to not being good enough. Therefore at a push we had one young striker clearly not good enough - so no other options.

 

1 hour ago, Andy_123 said:

Watkins and Besuijen are not centre forwards.

Ruth couldn't even do a decent job for Falkirk he was never going to contribute here

If Watkins isn’t a striker what position is he as his best games he’s played for us has been up top through the middle.
On one of the podcast I listened to when besuijen signed it said he can play any of the striker positions even through the middle so could have done a job up there, especially alongside another striker. 
 

Many a player did poor on loan doesn’t mean ruth couldn’t have come back and played upfront as it is his position. 
 

We should of brought in someone else but doesn’t mean we didn’t have options 

[fine-n-dandy]

1 hour ago, SupportmeansSUPPORT said:

I disagree with regards to the having a young player sitting on the bench. I think the likes of Harvey and Hanratty will learn a lot more playing 90 minutes in a lower league against experienced professionals than they would coming on for the odd 5 or 10-15 mins at the end of games here. Or if injuries hit and they get thrown in for starts before they are really ready, then they get the fury of fans who are abusing them as not good enough within a few games.

I've seen lots of people on here saying we should have our own youngsters on the bench instead of bringing in squad players or loans from other clubs. Obviously if a young player is outstanding and truly at the level in terms of quality of ability and physicality to go straight into the first team at a young age that's fine but if we don't think they are ready to start games in SPL i think we should loan them out until they are ready rather than keep them on bench for a few minutes. 

St Johnstone's successful back 3 of last season with Jason Kerr, McCart, Liam Gordon and also Ali McCann in midfield were examples of players who progressed and developed on loan at lower levels. Same with Josh Doig and Campbell at Hibs. This season we had success with Barron.

I don't believe if we had kept Connor with us at the start of the season he would be at the level he is at now, the loan at Kelty playing regular games really brought him on. That's why i would like us to continue to loan out as many as possible again next season. 

We should see if we can get Ngwenya playing for maybe Cove in the Championship now they have lost their left back to Partick. He has improved at Kelty but not yet ready for spl and having him sit on our bench next season will only stall his progress.

Same with Ryan Duncan, hopefully we manage to really strengthen in the forward area's this summer so we can let him go out on loan until Jan again when hopefully he could replicate what Connor did this season and slot into the team for 2nd half of season. He has a lot of ability, great attitude from what I hear. And he will get better with more game time and experience playing regular fitba for maybe Inverness, Arbroath or possibly even Cove again rather than sat on our bench. 

Some plausible points but very generic really.

 

Plenty would have said that Scott McKenna wasn’t ready for us in top flight when he got his chance & should have stayed out on loan. That is in a position that it is a lot harder to make the step up in as well, as mistakes are far more costly & noticeable.

No reason young players cannot be given far more game time (especially in the forward areas) if we have an actual first 11 & squad able to accommodate their ‘inexperience’ & have games under comfortable enough control to bring them on regularly for last half hr of games most weeks

 

Are you Alan Hansen by any chance

[slippers]

2 hours ago, Durrant Dived said:

Imagine the uproar when they announce Ojo has penned a new deal.

Ojo new deal and Montgomery extended loan would almost be funny to see the reaction!

3 hours ago, Kiriakov33 said:

Wee bit of patience required.  I’m sure it will come out this week.  The club are probably looking to announce it in one go so maybe there’s still negotiating with players who are still in contract to release them.   I have a feeling though that we won’t be releasing as many as some of us would like.  

Valid point that is hopefully the explanation. 

[minijc]

 

 

Made y'all look

[minijc]

1 hour ago, Tommy said:

If he’s as good as many say then he deserves to be involved.

Ngwenya is 20 this year, he’s surely deserving of the chance too.

Cooper, Hewitt, Simmie and Black were all under 20 and look at what they achieved.

Totally agree Tommy, only ever heard good things about Duncan, he has to be in the squad next year.

[Hagi's pubic hair]

8 minutes ago, minijc said:

 

 

Made y'all look

You should be banned from posting for the next month, unless it's related to transfers.
Just an idea, what do you think?

[minijc]

2 minutes ago, Hagi's pubic hair said:

You should be banned from posting for the next month, unless it's related to transfers.
Just an idea, what do you think?

I think everyone that isn't me or Canadian should be banned, we are the lifeblood of this place.

[Hagi's pubic hair]

2 minutes ago, minijc said:

I think everyone that isn't me or Canadian should be banned, we are the lifeblood of this place.

So, any scoops today, or are you just browsing?

[minijc]

1 minute ago, Hagi's pubic hair said:

So, any scoops today, or are you just browsing?

Nah, I just fucked up a post, that's all.

[Hagi's pubic hair]

1 minute ago, minijc said:

Nah, I just fucked up a post, that's all.

Being the lifeblood no fucker will care, carry on...

[minijc]

1 minute ago, Hagi's pubic hair said:

Being the lifeblood no fucker will care, carry on...

 

[Tommy]

2 minutes ago, minijc said:

 

Stay safe Minj. Look forward to exclusives soon.

[SupportmeansSUPPORT]

1 hour ago, sooth_stander said:

Some great points.

However, Ryan Duncan is ready NOW, in my opinion.  I wouldn’t be sending him out on loan anywhere.

I’m sure he’d have played those last 3 or so games for us after Peterhead’s season’s ended,  had it not been some some archaic SFA rules but even if Ronan and/or McGrath arrive next season, I’d be integrating him into the squad too

I think Ryan is a big talent and he has developed physically a lot over the past season. I think as well as working in the gym, his old man Andy has had him grafting on the farm to help get him built up. But if we get the players we are targeting i don't think he will begin next seasons league games as a starter and I don't want to see his growth as a player get stunted by only getting a few minutes here and there. So its just my personal opinion that another 6 months out on loan would see him improve and grow as a player much faster and then he will come back as a starter in January.

Totally agree regarding the last few games. He would have definitely have started those games so a real shame the rules stop us playing him.

I do expect him to get starts in the league cup qualifying though so he will have the chance to keep the shirt and make it impossible for him to be left out when it comes to the start of the league. I hope that happens.  

 

[WesthillWanderersFC]

 

[Hagi's pubic hair]

No more Ojo, thank fuck for that

[Dons79]

Thank fuck 

ojo and Montgomery away, disappointed that gallagher and bates stays, Gallagher just needs a kick up the arse, ginger ramos is just plain shite.

[Ernie McCracken]

2 minutes ago, Dons79 said:

Thank fuck 

ojo and Montgomery away, disappointed that gallagher and bates stays, Gallagher just needs a kick up the arse, ginger ramos is just plain shite.

Agree there is no hope for Bates. After his time with AFC is up he will move to a smaller club than Aberdeen. Then after his time with that club is up he'll move to an even smaller club and so on and so on. 

Just really unfortunate we signed him on a 3 year deal.

Kennedy can GTF too. 

[BonnieDon]

Brown, JET, Jenks, Considine, Ojo, McGeouch, Montgomery, Jenks and Ruth officially gone.

Under Contract players I still anticipate to leave Campbell, McLennan, Kennedy, Joe Lewis, Woods and Ramirez.

Ferguson and Ramsay will inevitable be sold.

[Dons79]

7 minutes ago, Ernie McCracken said:

Agree there is no hope for Bates. After his time with AFC is up he will move to a smaller club than Aberdeen. Then after his time with that club is up he'll move to an even smaller club and so on and so on. 

Just really unfortunate we signed him on a 3 year deal.

Kennedy can GTF too. 

Yeah forgot about Kennedy, he will be seen as a new signing by Goodwin and really surprised there’s nothing about McLennan either, surely after the years the club know that he will never be good enough surely.

[Hagi's pubic hair]

1 minute ago, Dons79 said:

Yeah forgot about Kennedy, he will be seen as a new signing by Goodwin and really surprised there’s nothing about McLennan either, surely after the years the club know that he will never be good enough surely.

Agreed the lack of anything on McLennan is a bit of a worry.
When is his contract up?

[North_Andy_Dandy]

Some real depth in the wage budget opening up now, it will be really interesting to see what Goodwin does with it. Considering this will be his biggest ever budget I’d think.
Also are we only in the market for free transfers or does anyone see us bidding for players? 
 

[Guest]

Bates was out his depth at raith rovers, he's fuckin brutal. 

 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Hagi's pubic hair said:

Agreed the lack of anything on McLennan is a bit of a worry.
When is his contract up?

Just pay him off along with Bates.

[Hagi's pubic hair]

1 minute ago, Dandiesmin68 said:

Just pay him off along with Bates.

Agreed, but when is it up?

[Guest]

Just now, Hagi's pubic hair said:

Agreed, but when is it up?

If I mind right did we no sign him up on a 3 year deal? ?

I don't think I could take another 3 minutes of him.

[WesthillWanderersFC]

20 minutes ago, Dons79 said:

Thank fuck 

ojo and Montgomery away, disappointed that gallagher and bates stays, Gallagher just needs a kick up the arse, ginger ramos is just plain shite.

Why are you expecting contracted players to be on a released list? 

[SupportmeansSUPPORT]

2 hours ago, Tommy said:

If he’s as good as many say then he deserves to be involved.

Ngwenya is 20 this year, he’s surely deserving of the chance too.

Cooper, Hewitt, Simmie and Black were all under 20 and look at what they achieved.

Those 4 were exceptional talents. As were Jess and Booth about 10 years later. But when you consider how many make the immediate step up the percentage is quite low so with some we need to let them have more time. 

I think the loan at Kelty has done Ngwenya good but with Kieran it has to be remembered he was allowed to continue his studies so not been in full time training or playing for as long as most others his age.

At this point in my opinion he is definitely not at the same level as Jack McKenzie who is ahead of him so it makes sense to send him out and improve him further until he is ready. Needs to improve his use of the ball in my opinion or if we throw him in at the moment he will get slated by our fans for giving ball away too often.

Look back at Michael Rose and Daniel Harvie, when those 2 moved on they were not ready for our first team. in the first year after leaving Rose didn't start every week for Ayr but second season became regular and 3rd season stood out and got his move. Harvie had a hard season on loan with Dumbarton before moving onto Ayr and after 2 seasons of improvement there he got move down south. Just because they are not ready at 19/20 doesn't mean they cant make it.

Jason Kerr spent 2 and half seasons out on loan before he made it at SPL level. Jamie Mccart had 4 seasons on loan before he made it at SPL level. Ralston at Celtic had multiple loans of many years before this season where he looks at a better level.

So we need to not write off every player too early and accept that sometimes it will take a player a bit longer before they are at the level we need but they need to be out there getting games to improve not just sitting on our bench as has happened with some of our players such as Dean Campbell.