Torry Tosser Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, redstrummer said: this is getting pretty grim like , another week goes by without anything to feel encouraged Someone's just gone in Pittodrie. 1 Link to comment
Don_Corleone Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tommy said: Unless a loanee is good enough to start, I’d rather our youths were given the opportunity. No need for loans to be sitting on the bench. 100%. No more Jenks, Samuels etc please - add nothing and take away opportunity from our own young lads. Link to comment
thurso Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said: That's not what I said. I'd imagine if we did loan players it would be younger lads from richer teams as per usual but hopefully good enough to start rather than just warm the bench. The loans we take in will generally just warm the bench tho, especially if we sign the 4 quality players you think we should sign plus the players already here. If we signed 8 players and half on loan you are lucky if 1 of them becomes a regular starter. 6 minutes ago, Tord31 said: Yes but in the July games we'll have your Barrons, Fergusons, McLennans, Kennedys, Woods etc that might not be in the picture by August 31st. If I see 10 coming thats probably on the basis of selling Ramirez, Ramsay and Ferguson, and loaning out another 1 on top maybe. Well if they are going we need them gone early to get our new signings in early to use the cup games to get our team gelling if there is that big a turn over. 7 minutes ago, Tommy said: Unless a loanee is good enough to start, I’d rather our youths were given the opportunity. No need for loans to be sitting on the bench. Exactly Link to comment
aberdeen1970 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Just now, thurso said: The loans we take in will generally just warm the bench tho, especially if we sign the 4 quality players you think we should sign plus the players already here. If we signed 8 players and half on loan you are lucky if 1 of them becomes a regular starter. Depends how good a player you loan though, surely? If you loan a Lowe or a Christie then they'll start. If you loan a Samuels or a Nwakali then they won't. Link to comment
Tord31 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, Tommy said: Unless a loanee is good enough to start, I’d rather our youths were given the opportunity. No need for loans to be sitting on the bench. I agree it needs to be carefully thought through but there is a place for squad players. Link to comment
aberdeen1970 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Just now, Don_Corleone said: In that line up I'd be reasonably happy with McCrorie, either Bates or Gallagher, Barron, Besoujin, Hayes as starters. So that's 5 for me. MacKenzie and Polvara and even the young lad Duncan could be added to that if they have a good first half of the season. I'm fed up with Lewis, he needs replaced, and I've also got no time for Kennedy, and I think it's pointless even talking about Watkins as a regular starter as he'll be injured at least half the season. Aye. I could live with McCrorie at right back and maybe one of Bates/Gallagher. I don't think Mackenzie has done enough yet to prove he's good enough to be a first choice here. You'd imagine Barron and Ramadani would be starters and Besuijen too (although I'm still not completely convinced) Jonny will probably feature most weeks, one way or another. And whilst we're clearly looking for a new goalie I have a feeling Joe will still between the sticks come September. The rest you can't really rely on, sadly. So maybe 4 or 5 starters out of the team listed above. Hopefully 2 or 3 more come out of the youth set up all guns blazing like Ramsay and Barron. That would be a big bonus. Link to comment
Tord31 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Just now, thurso said: The loans we take in will generally just warm the bench tho, especially if we sign the 4 quality players you think we should sign plus the players already here. If we signed 8 players and half on loan you are lucky if 1 of them becomes a regular starter. Well if they are going we need them gone early to get our new signings in early to use the cup games to get our team gelling if there is that big a turn over. Exactly Gone early is not really a shout. We dont want to sell Barron or Ferguson so why should we force it to be early. If we need to pay off Kennedy/Woods/McLennan we know its better to do it once weve got a few bodies, and once other clubs are more actively looking to complete their squads Link to comment
StandFree1982 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 4 hours ago, SupportmeansSUPPORT said: He was doing a press conference yesterday but sounds like he has been told not to talk about it. The move will need international clearance and with the new rules i believe we will still have to get approvals from the exceptions panel to get a visa for him before any move can be finalized. This was the report on what he said which was bascially i cant talk about it. https://www.ta.no/kan-bli-solgt-skal-si-noe-mer-om-ikke-sa-lenge/s/5-50-1393992 and using online translation it reads as SKIEN: Tobias Lauritsen (24) and Joshua Kitolano (20) may be on their way away from Odd, but neither of them wants to say much about either Aberdeen or Sparta Rotterdam. After Thursday's training, the duo lined up for both Varden and TA. It still seems uncertain whether Tobias Lauritsen will accept Scottish Aberdeen. Earlier this week, the 24-year-old is said to have visited the club. According to TA's experience, Odd and Aberdeen have agreed on a transfer fee. Then it remains for Lauritsen to decide where he wants to continue his career, and possibly agree with the Scots on the personal conditions. In the think tank - Have you decided or said no to Aberdeen? - Unfortunately, I have to say no comment yet, then I will say something more in the near future, hopefully, Tobias Lauritsen answers. - So you are simply in the think tank? - No comment. - Are there more clubs on the field? - I just have to refer to my agent, then we'll take it back later, he answers politely. - I do not want to confirm or deny whether Tobias has said yes or no. This is up to Tobias, says Odd's sports manager, Morten Rønningen. The agent, Jack Karadas, has not responded to TA. If Lauritsen is sold this summer, Odd will have a new striker. Wonder if Aberdeen have asked them to keep a tight lid on it, after the whole Considine/Scott Burns thing a few months ago. Link to comment
thurso Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, Don_Corleone said: In that line up I'd be reasonably happy with McCrorie, either Bates or Gallagher, Barron, Besoujin, Hayes as starters. So that's 5 for me. MacKenzie and Polvara and even the young lad Duncan could be added to that if they have a good first half of the season. I'm fed up with Lewis, he needs replaced, and I've also got no time for Kennedy, and I think it's pointless even talking about Watkins as a regular starter as he'll be injured at least half the season. I’d have the ones you named but I’d keep Lewis don’t think he’s that bad a keeper also happy enough with Mackenzie playing so either him or hayes would be 6 maybe 7 Link to comment
thurso Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said: Depends how good a player you loan though, surely? If you loan a Lowe or a Christie then they'll start. If you loan a Samuels or a Nwakali then they won't. Not very often have we taken in a Lowe or christie tho. Clubs don’t generally give us their best young players. 4 minutes ago, Tord31 said: Gone early is not really a shout. We dont want to sell Barron or Ferguson so why should we force it to be early. If we need to pay off Kennedy/Woods/McLennan we know its better to do it once weve got a few bodies, and once other clubs are more actively looking to complete their squads I don’t think we wanted to sell Ramsay but he’s gone early. And personally wouldn’t be selling Barron at any point. If we are having to pay people off to go like McLennan I can’t see what benefit is of keeping them and paying them off later either they will be here for the season unless someone makes an offer or let them go now. No point waiting until we have players in Link to comment
Bournemouth Gee Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 14 minutes ago, Don_Corleone said: Jenks, Samuels Longstaff ffs... Link to comment
The Gee Man Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 JG says 2 or 3 more will leave on top of 12 or so released Link to comment
aberdeen1970 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Just now, thurso said: Not very often have we taken in a Lowe or christie tho. Clubs don’t generally give us their best young players. Ward, Logan, Maddison, Hector, Lowe, Christie were all excellent loans. Nae reason why we couldn't get a few more of that calibre again. And there were a few more that were acceptable and improved our first team. The rest, admittedly, were eminently forgettable. Link to comment
starryfish Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Has the ship sailed on us signing PCA’s with players? Usually one or two of them announced towards the end of the previous season or soon after it finishes. Link to comment
Bournemouth Gee Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, starryfish said: Has the ship sailed on us signing PCA’s with players? Usually one or two of them announced towards the end of the previous season or soon after it finishes. @minijc Link to comment
minijc Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said: Ward, Logan, Maddison, Hector, Lowe, Christie were all excellent loans. Nae reason why we couldn't get a few more of that calibre again. And there were a few more that were acceptable and improved our first team. The rest, admittedly, were eminently forgettable. I doubt the club sign players on loan knowing they'll be shit, some will work out well, others will be poor. Link to comment
aberdeen1970 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Just now, minijc said: I doubt the club sign players on loan knowing they'll be shit, some will work out well, others will be poor. Aye but there's some you just know will be good, others more of a punt Link to comment
minijc Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said: Aye but there's some you just know will be good, others more of a punt Yes but it's always a gamble, I'd rather we moved away from the loan market. Link to comment
aberdeen1970 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Just now, minijc said: Yes but it's always a gamble, I'd rather we moved away from the loan market. Aye me too. I just think getting the amount of players we need on permanent deals in one window of the requisite quality is a big ask. Link to comment
StandFree1982 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, minijc said: Yes but it's always a gamble, I'd rather we moved away from the loan market. Loans are fine to cover positions that we're short on due to injury etc. But not to supplement the starting 11 unless they are far better than we otherwise could have afforded, i.e. James Maddison Link to comment
Kiriakov33 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, minijc said: Yes but it's always a gamble, I'd rather we moved away from the loan market. I totally get your point but isn’t it as much of a gamble signing a relatively unknown on a 2-3 year deal? At least with a loan you can punt them back to their club after a few months. I think the problem is the range of player we can afford is always going to have a number of clubs after them. We may be able to match wages but other clubs will be a bigger attraction to them. The loan market although far from ideal, is one where we are always going to be looking at. Hopefully we can do this that includes options to buy Of they are actually any good. Link to comment
minijc Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, Kiriakov33 said: I totally get your point but isn’t it as much of a gamble signing a relatively unknown on a 2-3 year deal? At least with a loan you can punt them back to their club after a few months. I think the problem is the range of player we can afford is always going to have a number of clubs after them. We may be able to match wages but other clubs will be a bigger attraction to them. The loan market although far from ideal, is one where we are always going to be looking at. Hopefully we can do this that includes options to buy Of they are actually any good. In a way yeah but this is where scouting comes in, I'd say if done properly there's far less risk than there is with a loan as more often than not the majority of players available for loans can't cut it and are in last chance saloon. I imagine we've paid good fees for our recent loans, I would even guess that we paid a decent chunk to get Madison, I know we had to pay to get Christie, I'd rather we used the money to buy our own players instead of developing others. Link to comment
Tord31 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 48 minutes ago, The Gee Man said: JG says 2 or 3 more will leave on top of 12 or so released Interesting comment from him there. Had 30 players to pick from first game. 12 gone so far and expects 2 or 3 more to go this window. Anyone crunching the numbers to work out if Ramsay is in the 12 or the 2-3. Link to comment
jamiesd Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Surely we have hope that Mclennan could still be off. Jimbob is teasing us Link to comment
aberdeen1970 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, minijc said: In a way yeah but this is where scouting comes in, I'd say if done properly there's far less risk than there is with a loan as more often than not the majority of players available for loans can't cut it and are in last chance saloon. I imagine we've paid good fees for our recent loans, I would even guess that we paid a decent chunk to get Madison, I know we had to pay to get Christie, I'd rather we used the money to buy our own players instead of developing others. Everyone would agree they'd rather have permanent players. The question is would you rather have a shit permanent player or a good loan player if that was the choice? Link to comment
Joe pike Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 1 minute ago, aberdeen1970 said: Everyone would agree they'd rather have permanent players. The question is would you rather have a shit permanent player or a good loan player if that was the choice? No loan players from the Glasgow arse cheeks ever. 1 Link to comment
minijc Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 1 minute ago, aberdeen1970 said: Everyone would agree they'd rather have permanent players. The question is would you rather have a shit permanent player or a good loan player if that was the choice? It's never a choice though is it, I'd say the club got unlucky not to have one of last seasons loans kick on and add something to the side. Link to comment
Joe pike Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 1 minute ago, minijc said: It's never a choice though is it, I'd say the club got unlucky not to have one of last seasons loans kick on and add something to the side. Unlucky because they were shit? Link to comment
zeroisgod76 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 11 minutes ago, Tord31 said: Interesting comment from him there. Had 30 players to pick from first game. 12 gone so far and expects 2 or 3 more to go this window. Anyone crunching the numbers to work out if Ramsay is in the 12 or the 2-3. Out of that 30 he had to pick from i'm assuming that a lot of them were youngsters that had never played a first team game before? Since he arrived we have released / sold / sent back from loan 10 players that made first team appearances last season and we currently have 14 left, that 14 includes Ramirez who may or not already be gone. So i'd guess he actually had 24 first team players to pick from in his first game and 6 untried youngsters. I'd imagine the 2 or 3 more to go this window may include Ramirez and Ferguson. Link to comment
aberdeen1970 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 1 minute ago, minijc said: It's never a choice though is it, I'd say the club got unlucky not to have one of last seasons loans kick on and add something to the side. Yes it is. Let's say you 'scout' 3 strikers and they all knock you back. You have the choice to take in your 4th choice on a 2 year deal but you know he's not the quality you really want. Or you can bring in a loan who is better than your 4th choice for 6 months to tide you over to the next window. You'd take the better player on loan and wait for the next chance to bring in someone on a permanent that met your expectations. Link to comment
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