Parklife Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 22 minutes ago, Matt Armstrong's Dog said: You're obviously just cherrypicking specific points in my earlier comments to conform to your virtue-signalling agenda. My comments were non-prejudicial, objective, and reasonable, and covered a whole plethora of potential outcomes. Did not I refer to a likelihood of a white ethnic carrying out the murder or I did I solely refer to browns only?? Maybe I've got Charles Bonnet Syndrome as well after all which is transferred to my fingers when typing. So many words. So little of substance said. Link to comment
The Boofon Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 6 minutes ago, Parklife said: You surely can't possibly ascertain the cause of every illness and therefore the cost of treating all "tobacco related diseases". It’s a reasonable assertion which seems to hold water when checked via various searches. Link to comment
Parklife Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 26 minutes ago, The Boofon said: It’s a reasonable assertion which seems to hold water when checked via various searches. How do you ascertain the cause of every single persons illness? You surely can't. How do you ascertain the individual cost of treating a particular patient? You surely can't. Im sure there's been broad brush studies looking in to it, making a heap of assumptions and drawing deeply flawed conclusions though. Link to comment
patrick bateman Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 12 hours ago, CCB III said: Where exactly? In your introduction of age as a factor. The competition was not age restricted but it was gender restricted. Your dismissal of women's (bio) views that a man (bio) won a contest for women and replaced with well if the woman who came 4th had won would it have been the same outrage. You've made it about age when it was open to all ages but not all genders. Seems to me you're (as a man) telling women what they should do and how they should feel about something impacting them and them alone, and dismissing their views and concerns. You also describe anyone who disagrees as hateful - again if a woman holds a view that men should not compete in women's sports they are hateful. Link to comment
patrick bateman Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 56 minutes ago, Matt Armstrong's Dog said: You're obviously just cherrypicking specific points in my earlier comments to conform to your virtue-signalling agenda. My comments were non-prejudicial, objective, and reasonable, and covered a whole plethora of potential outcomes. Did not I refer to a likelihood of a white ethnic carrying out the murder or I did I solely refer to browns only?? Maybe I've got Charles Bonnet Syndrome as well after all which is transferred to my fingers when typing. Not you being a racist bigot again is it... Link to comment
The Boofon Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 13 minutes ago, Parklife said: How do you ascertain the cause of every single persons illness? You surely can't. How do you ascertain the individual cost of treating a particular patient? You surely can't. Im sure there's been broad brush studies looking in to it, making a heap of assumptions and drawing deeply flawed conclusions though. No you can’t. it’s a reasonable assertion is all I’m saying. Sounds plausible. Not bothered if it’s proven wrong. Link to comment
Matt Armstrong's Dog Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 13 minutes ago, Parklife said: So many words. So little of substance said. You really think you are better than me (and others) you arrogant, hypersensitive, woke prick. I am fucking sick of your unsubstantiated attitude towards me. Watch you don't breach any health and safety at work provisions as you never know what may happen. 2 1 Link to comment
Matt Armstrong's Dog Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 54 minutes ago, patrick bateman said: Not you being a racist bigot again is it... ???. Again? I am not and never have been a racist or a bigot, so your use of the word is inappropriate. Please feel free, along with your fellow clique members, to provide evidence to back up your slur. If not, shut the fuck up, you boring cunt. For a man/woman/transperson that has hardly posted since registering on the forum, you come across as a sock puppet account user. Link to comment
The Boofon Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 On 6/24/2022 at 10:12 AM, CCB III said: And until you provide evidence, this will go round and round. Is your wig seeping into your brain? Awkward ? 3 Link to comment
NEM Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, The Boofon said: Awkward ? ? Binges afc chat as well if last night/early hours this mornings marathon was anything to go by 1 Link to comment
CCB III Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 8 minutes ago, The Boofon said: Awkward ? That provides evidence of nout! Who is "Guest User?" and why are they being referred to as my username? Pleasing you took the time to go out of your way and find it. It must really piss you off. Link to comment
CCB III Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 1 hour ago, patrick bateman said: In your introduction of age as a factor. The competition was not age restricted but it was gender restricted. Your dismissal of women's (bio) views that a man (bio) won a contest for women and replaced with well if the woman who came 4th had won would it have been the same outrage. You've made it about age when it was open to all ages but not all genders. Seems to me you're (as a man) telling women what they should do and how they should feel about something impacting them and them alone, and dismissing their views and concerns. You also describe anyone who disagrees as hateful - again if a woman holds a view that men should not compete in women's sports they are hateful. Seems like you're condensing womanhood to purely biological viewpoints. Reducing women to their reproductive organs, and nothing more. Thats more sexist than anything I've said Link to comment
elephantstone78 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 4 hours ago, Parklife said: There's surely no way to know that? not quickly that’s for sure. You could check the annual reports of the uk listed tobacco and alcohol companies to get an approximation the tax raised. you could then check total govt spend on the nhs. But, arsed if I’m doing it. Easier just picking out GBNs. Even if it’s higher it’s kind of a moot point as if you compare non alcohol and tobacco companies who make similar profits then the tax revenue will be similar without the concurrent nhs cost. Link to comment
Ramandu Posted June 29, 2022 Author Share Posted June 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Parklife said: You surely can't possibly ascertain the cause of every illness and therefore the cost of treating all "tobacco related diseases". Yep, again that's what I said. But tobacco tax revenue is more than the amount we spend on diseases linked to tobacco, whether or not they were caused by tobacco. Bit dated, but in 2015 UK tax revenue from tobacco was £12b. In the same year the total cost of smoking to NHS England was £2.6b. Add the rest of the UK and even the non medical costs, and it's still not even close. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/cost-of-smoking-to-the-nhs-in-england-2015/cost-of-smoking-to-the-nhs-in-england-2015 The guy I was arguing went further, saying that we should take into account that smokers die younger, saving the government money on pensions and other healthcare. ? Link to comment
BrianFaePerth Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 8 minutes ago, CCB III said: Seems like you're condensing womanhood to purely biological viewpoints. Reducing women to their reproductive organs, and nothing more. Thats more sexist than anything I've said Link to comment
The Boofon Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 16 minutes ago, CCB III said: That provides evidence of nout! Who is "Guest User?" and why are they being referred to as my username? Pleasing you took the time to go out of your way and find it. It must really piss you off. It appeared on another thread. Link to comment
The Boofon Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 19 minutes ago, NEM said: ? Binges afc chat as well if last night/early hours this mornings marathon was anything to go by He’s hopeless. Cannot give up regardless of the size of hole he digs. No wonder he has breakdowns regularly. Poor cunt. 1 2 Link to comment
CCB III Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 16 minutes ago, The Boofon said: It appeared on another thread. ? Link to comment
patrick bateman Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 43 minutes ago, CCB III said: Seems like you're condensing womanhood to purely biological viewpoints. Reducing women to their reproductive organs, and nothing more. Thats more sexist than anything I've said No Nothing sexist in acknowledging biology. As I have stated previously I have no problem with trans people or them being treated as equal to all other people. But this should not come at the expense of women and their rights. I'm listening to what women say and giving primacy to their voices in these matters. You're the one who, as I say made this about age not sex and dismissed women's opinion and concerns. I don't think you realise what you are saying half the time. Your starting position was Brian (who may well be transphobic) posted it ergo the story by it's nature must be dismissed as such. Link to comment
patrick bateman Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 46 minutes ago, elephantstone78 said: not quickly that’s for sure. You could check the annual reports of the uk listed tobacco and alcohol companies to get an approximation the tax raised. you could then check total govt spend on the nhs. But, arsed if I’m doing it. Easier just picking out GBNs. Even if it’s higher it’s kind of a moot point as if you compare non alcohol and tobacco companies who make similar profits then the tax revenue will be similar without the concurrent nhs cost. There are other factors to bear in mind like the opportunity cost to non tobacco users impacted by the patient without a tobacco related illness. Health economics is unbelievably complicated. Good luck to them. Link to comment
BrianFaePerth Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 6 minutes ago, patrick bateman said: No Nothing sexist in acknowledging biology. As I have stated previously I have no problem with trans people or them being treated as equal to all other people. But this should not come at the expense of women and their rights. I'm listening to what women say and giving primacy to their voices in these matters. You're the one who, as I say made this about age not sex and dismissed women's opinion and concerns. I don't think you realise what you are saying half the time. Your starting position was Brian (who may well be transphobic) posted it ergo the story by it's nature must be dismissed as such. No eh have lots of trans friends Link to comment
patrick bateman Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Just now, BrianFaePerth said: No eh have lots of trans friends Let me put it a different way I think he thinks you are. I'm not shocked to hear that you have lots of trans friends you defo love it up the Ronson. 1 Link to comment
elephantstone78 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 13 hours ago, CCB III said: Who knows? Ten caat? Link to comment
CCB III Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 38 minutes ago, patrick bateman said: No Nothing sexist in acknowledging biology. As I have stated previously I have no problem with trans people or them being treated as equal to all other people. But this should not come at the expense of women and their rights. I'm listening to what women say and giving primacy to their voices in these matters. You're the one who, as I say made this about age not sex and dismissed women's opinion and concerns. I don't think you realise what you are saying half the time. Your starting position was Brian (who may well be transphobic) posted it ergo the story by it's nature must be dismissed as such. It's not coming at the expense of women and their rights tho? It's not like they excluded women from competing in that competition, they had a right to compete. So did trans women. Everyone's rights are in check there The issue is whether someone born a man and gone through puberty should compete with women. That's something I'm unsure of, and certainly against in a lot of sports. The issue is surely about fairness in that instance, as opposed to rights. But what's interesting is, the people obsessed with defining womanhood as purely genitals based, have contributed to the shitshow in America just now. If a woman's sole thing that makes her (for sure) a woman is her reproductive organs, then that just feeds into the narrative over there that they are to be silly little breeding machines. A woman is someone with a vagina. Nothing more, nothing less. Link to comment
NEM Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 18 minutes ago, CCB III said: It's not coming at the expense of women and their rights tho? It's not like they excluded women from competing in that competition, they had a right to compete. So did trans women. Everyone's rights are in check there The issue is whether someone born a man and gone through puberty should compete with women. That's something I'm unsure of, and certainly against in a lot of sports. The issue is surely about fairness in that instance, as opposed to rights. But what's interesting is, the people obsessed with defining womanhood as purely genitals based, have contributed to the shitshow in America just now. If a woman's sole thing that makes her (for sure) a woman is her reproductive organs, then that just feeds into the narrative over there that they are to be silly little breeding machines. A woman is someone with a vagina. Nothing more, nothing less. Did you even bother your arse to read Ten Catts post last night? Clearly not if you're continuing with this pish Link to comment
Beachend Bootboy Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 8 minutes ago, NEM said: Did you even bother your arse to read Ten Catts post last night? Clearly not if you're continuing with this pish Hey, he's never wrong. How dare you question his credibility. He's an always right kinda prick and a prick he is make no mistake. Awaits a condescendin' age, weight or follicle based retort. He canna' help himsel'. Prick. Link to comment
CCB III Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 41 minutes ago, NEM said: Did you even bother your arse to read Ten Catts post last night? Clearly not if you're continuing with this pish Did you even bother to read anything else I sent last night? I went over TCs post. He's a nurse, fair play to him. He's not a qualified biologist, neurologist or psychologist. The science (you love to cite) is changing on these things all the time. It's fascinating. Certainly would be churlish to not consider all scientific possibilities. Link to comment
CCB III Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 43 minutes ago, NEM said: Did you even bother your arse to read Ten Catts post last night? Clearly not if you're continuing with this pish Also, TCs post is unrelated to what I'm saying. Many people, purely define men and women by genital/ reproductive organ. TC gave us an interesting medical insight into what typically makes a man and what makes a woman. As with all nature, there are exceptions to the rule. You trying to insist that science= fact shows you have a limited understanding of what science is. Link to comment
Parklife Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 2 hours ago, BrianFaePerth said: No eh have lots of friends Clearly a lie tbh. 1 Link to comment
Ke1t Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 1 hour ago, NEM said: Did you even bother your arse to read Ten Catts post last night? Clearly not if you're continuing with this pish Ten Caat opined, accurately, from a scientific point of view. But we don't always use science as a basis for cultural mores. If we did there would be no fucking religion. Lop off a cock and bolt on tits and a vajayjay and you have a serviceable chick. Don't even say you wouldn't. Link to comment
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