tutankamun Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Poodler said: I agree bro ? Wait until you hear my views on the Vardy trial Link to comment
Ke1t Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 53 minutes ago, tutankamun said: OK Correct. Reiteration. It's a standard device. 1 Link to comment
Ke1t Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 21 minutes ago, tutankamun said: Condescending much? “We’ve” uncovered fuck all and I’ve decided on nothing. People ARE responsible for their words. They will be judged on what they say. My original point was it shouldn’t be a legal issue. Society can have an opinion on what anyone says but shutting people down via legal means is a dangerous precedent. AJ can afford to pay any fines meted out, but the vast majority of us ordinary folk cannot. Who decides what words can or cannot be said? These days if someone claims to be upset, that’s all it takes. I call bullshit. But we did uncover them. You and me. Together. as the discussion evolved. You loled when asked if people should be held accountable for their words. "Of course not " but later you decided that people were responsible for their words because orders. "Ordering people to do something is a far cry from expressing an opinion. and because pressure. "But the people obeying those orders must have felt massive pressure to obey" But orders are just words, and pressure is surely arbitrary and contingent. So neither reason seems like a solid reason for holding the word-saying-guy accountable if you're not going to hold them accountable for suggestion or implication. Regardless, this is my question. "People ARE responsible for their words. They will be judged on what they say. My original point was it shouldn’t be a legal issue." Then if there are no legal ramifications how are they being judged, and how are they being held responsible? Link to comment
tutankamun Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 Judged by society as I said. No need for the law. Ill give you credit Kelt, you are relentless. I assume it’s earlier where you are… Link to comment
tutankamun Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 Maybe we need to agree to disagree? You’re a Commie living in the USA. I’m not a Commie living in the people’s republic of Scotland ? Link to comment
Ke1t Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 1 minute ago, tutankamun said: Judged by society as I said. No need for the law. Ill give you credit Kelt, you are relentless. I assume it’s earlier where you are… Judged by society is kinda meaningless, though, surely? I mean... what are the actual repercussions of non-legal judgement? It's not even a slap on the wrist. Is it like blocking on Facebook or Twitter? I'm just intrigued at the idea that anyone would want the guy at the top to suffer no consequences for the actions of his underlings. I mean, that's how the real world usually works, but it's interesting to me to actually see someone express that as a desired outcome. Like 9pm now. Just has some Injin food and beers. Speaking of condescending, though, have you really found my stance so hilarious that you laughed at the majority of my responses? Link to comment
tutankamun Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Ke1t said: Judged by society is kinda meaningless, though, surely? I mean... what are the actual repercussions of non-legal judgement? It's not even a slap on the wrist. Is it like blocking on Facebook or Twitter? I'm just intrigued at the idea that anyone would want the guy at the top to suffer no consequences for the actions of his underlings. I mean, that's how the real world usually works, but it's interesting to me to actually see someone express that as a desired outcome. Like 9pm now. Just has some Injin food and beers. Speaking of condescending, though, have you really found my stance so hilarious that you laughed at the majority of my responses? Yes Link to comment
Ke1t Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 Just now, tutankamun said: Maybe we need to agree to disagree? You’re a Commie living in the USA. I’m not a Commie living in the people’s republic of Scotland ? I'm a Commie in intent, a Capitalist in Practice. If I could wave a magic wand, though, we'd all be living in decentralised, self-governing, people's anarchistic communes. Now that's probably worth laughing at. 1 Link to comment
Ke1t Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 1 minute ago, tutankamun said: Yes Well, that's disappointing on a number of levels. 1 Link to comment
tutankamun Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 Being judged by society is not meaningless. Only Yanks need to be financially compensated for being offended. Link to comment
tutankamun Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Ke1t said: Well, that's disappointing on a number of levels. It’s obviously more complicated than that but it’s late. Link to comment
tutankamun Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Ke1t said: I'm a Commie in intent, a Capitalist in Practice. If I could wave a magic wand, though, we'd all be living in decentralised, self-governing, people's anarchistic communes. Now that's probably worth laughing at. I laughed. Utopia ’Champagne Socialist’ springs to mind. Link to comment
Ke1t Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 1 minute ago, tutankamun said: I laughed. Utopia ’Champagne Socialist’ springs to mind. 'Pragmatic working man' is more accurate. 1 Link to comment
tutankamun Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 Just now, Ke1t said: 'Pragmatic working man' is more accurate. Most of us are that I think. My mum & dad were/are hippies, I love the idea of it but ultimately feels a bit ‘pie in the sky’. Depressing really. Link to comment
Dal Riata Don Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 Up to $50 Million now. Alex Jones must pay $50 Mill A clear sign to the general public that this sort of thing will not be tolerated indefinitely. Link to comment
tutankamun Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Dal Riata Don said: Up to $50 Million now. Alex Jones must pay $50 Mill A clear sign to the general public that this sort of thing will not be tolerated indefinitely. “This sort of thing” FFS A clear sign to the proles that freedom of speech will not be tolerated. Wake the fuck up man. Link to comment
maryhilldon Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Ke1t said: To my knowledge Hitler didn't gas a single Jew. It's disgusting how his reputation has been tarnished over the years. 1 Link to comment
Dal Riata Don Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 11 minutes ago, tutankamun said: “This sort of thing” FFS A clear sign to the proles that freedom of speech will not be tolerated. Wake the fuck up man. But my freedom stops where yours begins. This wasn't a case of someone having a different opinion based on their own life experience or outlook. This was a situation where a man with the financial resources to make a proper investigation chose instead, to publicize deliberate lies for his own financial gain. Well, in my view, he overstepped the boundaries of his own freedom and encroached upon the rights of others, leading to a significant detriment to their lives, as has just been upheld. Is Jones still free to think these thoughts? Yes. Is he free to express his views to whomever he may have dinner with tomorrow? Yes. His freedom of speech is still intact. Link to comment
Ke1t Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 10 minutes ago, maryhilldon said: It's disgusting how his reputation has been tarnished over the years. Time to stop blaming him for the Holocaust, I think. Link to comment
Ke1t Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 17 minutes ago, tutankamun said: “This sort of thing” FFS A clear sign to the proles that freedom of speech will not be tolerated. Wake the fuck up man. But his freedom of speech is being tolerated by the government. He can go right back on the radio tomorrow and continue to lie about Sandy Hook. Again, this was a civil case to determine whether or not his words had caused real world harm, and they were found to have caused exactly that. His 1st amendment is intact. He might want to make better decisions going forward, or not, his choice. Link to comment
tutankamun Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, Ke1t said: His 1st amendment is intact. For now. Link to comment
tutankamun Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 14 minutes ago, Dal Riata Don said: His freedom of speech is still intact. As long as he doesn’t express it in public ? Link to comment
Dal Riata Don Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, tutankamun said: For now. This is reactionary, based on nothing. 6 minutes ago, tutankamun said: As long as he doesn’t express it in public ? I think Kelt has covered this point above. Link to comment
tutankamun Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 As I said before, I think AJ is controlled. He’s deliberately saying outlandish things in order to create controversy and discredit conspiracy theorists. Civil case or not, the 1st amendment is always in danger. Link to comment
tutankamun Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 11 minutes ago, Dal Riata Don said: This is reactionary, based on nothing. Based on what I can see with my own eyes. As I said, wake up. Link to comment
Dal Riata Don Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, tutankamun said: Based on what I can see with my own eyes. As I said, wake up. OK. I will heed your warning^. I realise it's difficult to express sincerity online but, I will take your advice. 1 Link to comment
tutankamun Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Dal Riata Don said: OK. I will heed your warning^. I realise it's difficult to express sincerity online but, I will take your advice. Fair enough ? Link to comment
BrianFaePerth Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 8 hours ago, Ke1t said: To let you understand my position on this, here's a scenario. There are 3 neighbours, A, B, and C. Every day, for 10 years, A tells B that he's seen C looking out the window at B's kids, taking pictures and wanking over them. A further tells B than C has openly said he plans to abduct B's kids, rape them, and murder them. This is a complete fabrication, though, since C has done no such thing. After 10 years B eventually snaps, gets a shotgun, and blows C's head off in order to save his kids. Now this is a situation created entirely thanks to a fabrication by A. There's no other, external reason for this to have happened aside from A's egregious lies. Do you feel that A bears any responsibility for the subsequent killing of an innocent man? Did this happen in New Hampshire? Link to comment
Ohjimmyjimmy Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 Ha ha ha, been torn a new one here you Egyptian cocksmoker. Link to comment
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