pocrawred Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 4 hours ago, CCB III said: How many stadiums can show replays etc on a screen so we all know what's going on? Thats where the camera's come in. For the home viewers at least!! Zooming into the wee monitors the refs looking at, but if its a decision against either arse cheeks the camera will show the back of the refs heed or blurred if he's stood at side of monitor.... ? Link to comment
Betty Swallicks Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 9 hours ago, Sooper-hanz said: You’re missing the point . You think it won’t go ahead because some grounds don’t have screens just now. I never said it won't go ahead. I said it'll be a shambles. Not sure if you disagree or what YOUR point is so point 3 stands. Link to comment
Sooper-hanz Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 13 minutes ago, Betty Swallicks said: I never said it won't go ahead. I said it'll be a shambles. Not sure if you disagree or what YOUR point is so point 3 stands. It’ll be a bit if a fuck about at first but we’ll get used to it Link to comment
redstrummer Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 23 hours ago, Bamber said: Honest question where does var go? main stand side doesn’t work too high and advertising boards. South stand side would imagine you need a gap of supporters and the track isn’t that big. Pretty much the same in front of the ends that leaves corners merkland/ main is ambulance route main/rdl possible. Rdl south? In front of a baying away support? South/merk possible. So I guess south merk corner and main rdu corner? the personnel will probably be in a portages cabin in the car but fair point , where do they put all the cameras that are required Link to comment
TheRedPrawcess Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 On 4/19/2022 at 6:57 PM, Bamber said: Honest question where does var go? main stand side doesn’t work too high and advertising boards. South stand side would imagine you need a gap of supporters and the track isn’t that big. Pretty much the same in front of the ends that leaves corners merkland/ main is ambulance route main/rdl possible. Rdl south? In front of a baying away support? South/merk possible. So I guess south merk corner and main rdu corner? In the purpose built VAR viewing section of our new stadium by the beach. Only club in Scotland equipped with all singing all dancing tech. Sheltered to avoid the coins from away fans should any audacious ref turn over a decision and take away a hun penalty. Link to comment
Bamber Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 1 hour ago, redstrummer said: the personnel will probably be in a portages cabin in the car but fair point , where do they put all the cameras that are required More the monitors for the ref to view. My probsble worry is the ref has to go view a monitor. Grounds in scotland tend to be close to the pitch- unless we have a zone around them most grounds the ref will have hoards pulling faces from a foot away shouting obscenities Link to comment
DandyWarhol Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, WesthillWanderersFC said: That's a fake - guy was fishing to wind up huns Link to comment
WesthillWanderersFC Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 19 minutes ago, DandyWarhol said: That's a fake - guy was fishing to wind up huns Aye, I know I was hoping for a few bites on here. Van Bronckhorst has been asking for VAR since he came in. Link to comment
Torry Tosser Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 On 4/19/2022 at 6:25 PM, Forever Red said: Hate VAR with a passion. I'm heading towards wrapping football altogether (that might change if we get good again) Worst thing to happen to the game. 2 Link to comment
Forever Red Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 59 minutes ago, Torry Tosser said: Worst thing to happen to the game. Couldn't agree more Link to comment
Schapenneuker Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 VAR will be a nightmare in Scottish football. Anyone thinking that this will somehow level up the plethora of dodgy decisions that Celtic and Rangers get has got it badly wrong. All that will happen is that officialdom will double down on these decisions. VAR will benefit 2 clubs, and 2 clubs only in Scottish football. 1 Link to comment
strachanmcgheegoal Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 And the cleverer players who frequent arse cheek teams will play for precisely those decisions. Link to comment
Tommy Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 On 4/19/2022 at 7:36 PM, ericblack4boss said: I wonder which club was the only club to vote against Morton apparently. Link to comment
muttonhumper Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 On 4/19/2022 at 5:15 PM, Andy_123 said: VAR will be an absolute farce up here. Instead of complaining about the refs getting things wrong in real time, we'll just be complaining about them getting it wrong watching it on the screen. It will just be used to give Celtic and Rangers even more decisions than they already get. Correct. There will be no point in celebrating goals now. Particularly against the mutant infirm. Whole move leading up to a goal picked apart until they find something "wrong". It'll be an absolute clusterfuck from start to finish. Fuck that. And fuck modern day football. 2 Link to comment
Dynamo Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Was inevitable it would happen at some point as it becomes common in other leagues. The match going fan suffers though - it's bad enough when you celebrate a goal and then find out it's offside as it is! Correcting clear and obvious referee errors should be the only way it's implemented. They overdo it in England. 1 Link to comment
Andy_123 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 The way they use it in England is pathetic. Offside because half a finger or a shoelace is past the line of the last defender. Fuck that. Link to comment
thurso Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 The only problems I have with var is when it was brought in it was meant to stop goals from being chopped off when they were legitimate goals but it seems to have gone the other way and every goal is scrutinised to see if it should stand and if it takes 2 minutes to decide it’s a goal it should stand it shouldn’t take longer than 20 seconds to decide mind you the arse cheeks will want 5 minutes used for every goal against them Link to comment
Torry Tosser Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 13 minutes ago, Andy_123 said: The way they use it in England is pathetic. Offside because half a finger or a shoelace is past the line of the last defender. Fuck that. Couple of weeks ago West ham game. Guy beat about 5 on a run then did a one two with team mate and smashed it in,terrific goal.Was ruled aff side because the team mate he did the one two wee,had his hand offside. Games going daft. 1 Link to comment
Torry Tosser Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Think it's France,where nearly every goal they check it oot.? Link to comment
Betty Swallicks Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 17 hours ago, Sooper-hanz said: It’ll be a bit if a fuck about at first but we’ll get used to it "Get used to it" being a fucking shambles and fucking up the game for the folk who actually go I presume you mean? Great! Link to comment
Sooper-hanz Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Betty Swallicks said: "Get used to it" being a fucking shambles and fucking up the game for the folk who actually go I presume you mean? Great! Nah, there will be the usual teething problems but it will come good. Link to comment
Betty Swallicks Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Sooper-hanz said: Nah, there will be the usual teething problems but it will come good. Read comments above. If its not "came good" in the bigger leagues with loads of cash its unlikely to come good in our league. Link to comment
Sooper-hanz Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 23 minutes ago, Betty Swallicks said: Read comments above. If its not "came good" in the bigger leagues with loads of cash its unlikely to come good in our league. It has. More decisions have been correct and it’s still evolving. Link to comment
Betty Swallicks Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sooper-hanz said: It has. More decisions have been correct and it’s still evolving. You think VAR has came good as in its good for the game? Its bollocks for everyone except the tourists and tele watchers. It'll be even worse in a corrupt league with little cash. Link to comment
TheRedPrawcess Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Dynamo said: Was inevitable it would happen at some point as it becomes common in other leagues. The match going fan suffers though - it's bad enough when you celebrate a goal and then find out it's offside as it is! Correcting clear and obvious referee errors should be the only way it's implemented. They overdo it in England. You could add to this. If the referee has made a clear and obvious error, don't give them the chance to review it and change their mind, just tell them, "Aye John, that's not a penalty, you've arsed that up". This nonsense with them having to make the screen gesture to then review it, for the fans to wait and see which way they point. If a panel tell you you're made a mistake then that should be it. More often than not the on field ref agrees to change their decision anyway. Would speed everything up Link to comment
Andy_123 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 3 hours ago, thurso said: The only problems I have with var is when it was brought in it was meant to stop goals from being chopped off when they were legitimate goals but it seems to have gone the other way and every goal is scrutinised to see if it should stand and if it takes 2 minutes to decide it’s a goal it should stand it shouldn’t take longer than 20 seconds to decide mind you the arse cheeks will want 5 minutes used for every goal against them Couldn't agree more. Certainly down in England it's used more to see if they can disallow a goal for anything at all, rather than correcting any obvious errors. There should be a time limit on how long it can be reviewed for. If it's an obvious error, which is what this technology is supposed to be used for, then it shouldn't take any time at all to see it 29 minutes ago, TheRedPrawcess said: You could add to this. If the referee has made a clear and obvious error, don't give them the chance to review it and change their mind, just tell them, "Aye John, that's not a penalty, you've arsed that up". This nonsense with them having to make the screen gesture to then review it, for the fans to wait and see which way they point. If a panel tell you you're made a mistake then that should be it. More often than not the on field ref agrees to change their decision anyway. Would speed everything up A good idea which would definitely cut down on the time spent reviewing decisions, but I'm not sure that's going to work with the guys like Beaton up here. He'd just be telling the ref every decision should go Rangers way and that would be it. VAR will never work up here unless we have impartial officials in the video booths. There is no reason why a ref who's biased towards Celtic and Rangers on the pitch wouldn't be exactly the same watching the videos. Link to comment
aberdeen1970 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Aye, the challenge is the subjectivity around 'clear and obvious error.' Anything that involves any degree of subjectivity on the behalf of the operator would cause problems up here. Link to comment
Ten Caat Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Left to me, I'd implement it using a similar approach as they do in the review system in cricket. Each team gets 3 "challenges" if they don't agree with a decision. In cricket they've got 15 seconds to challenge a decision, obviously it would be wrong to instantly stop play in football so the teams would still get 15 seconds to hit the review button (or an agreed signal if made by the team captain onfield) and then it would be looked at during the next break in play. A correct challenge results in the review being retained, an incorrect challenge and the review is lost. Once 3 reviews have been used up, tough shit for that team if they think something else has gone wrong. The umpires in cricket also have the ability to look at an incident again should they so wish. The ref could do this if he suspects serious foul play in football. And in cricket all wickets falling are looked at routinely. I'd suggest all goals scored be looked at routinely too. I get that VAR will cause games to become stop/start just by it's very nature but if it means that horrendous mistakes are eliminated then it's a price worth paying Link to comment
aberdeen1970 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 15 minutes ago, Ten Caat said: Left to me, I'd implement it using a similar approach as they do in the review system in cricket. Each team gets 3 "challenges" if they don't agree with a decision. In cricket they've got 15 seconds to challenge a decision, obviously it would be wrong to instantly stop play in football so the teams would still get 15 seconds to hit the review button (or an agreed signal if made by the team captain onfield) and then it would be looked at during the next break in play. A correct challenge results in the review being retained, an incorrect challenge and the review is lost. Once 3 reviews have been used up, tough shit for that team if they think something else has gone wrong. The umpires in cricket also have the ability to look at an incident again should they so wish. The ref could do this if he suspects serious foul play in football. And in cricket all wickets falling are looked at routinely. I'd suggest all goals scored be looked at routinely too. I get that VAR will cause games to become stop/start just by it's very nature but if it means that horrendous mistakes are eliminated then it's a price worth paying Yeah I like the challenge system as well. Works really well in tennis too. Link to comment
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